Apr 15, 2024 School Board Special Workshop

[1. CALL TO ORDER AND ESTABLISH QUORUM]

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OKAY, GREAT. GOOD AFTERNOON.

AT 5:00 P.M.

OUR FIRST AGENDA ITEM IS EXECUTIVE SESSION THEREFORE, WE WILL ADJOURN TO EXECUTIVE SESSION IN ACCORDANCE WITH GOVERNMENT.

[2. EXECUTIVE SESSION]

OKAY. GOOD AFTERNOON.

WE WILL RECONVENE INTO OPEN SESSION HERE AT 6 P.M..

I AM VICE PRESIDENT, ANDREW YEAGER, SITTING IN FOR OUR PRESIDENT CAM BRYAN, WHO UNFORTUNATELY, IS UNDER THE WEATHER AND WISHES HE COULD BE HERE TONIGHT.

OUR FIRST AGENDA ITEM IS OPENING PRAYER PLEDGES OF ALLEGIANCE.

[3. OPENING PRAYER AND PLEDGES OF ALLEGIANCE/MOMENT OF SILENCE]

PLEASE RISE. DEAR LORD, AS WE GATHER HERE TONIGHT TO DISCUSS MATTERS VITAL TO OUR COMMUNITY'S EDUCATION, WE ASK FOR WISDOM AND GUIDANCE.

GRANT US CLARITY OF THOUGHT AND COMPASSION IN OUR DECISIONS REGARDING TEACHER COMPENSATION AND BUDGET ALLOCATIONS.

MAY OUR DISCUSSIONS BE PRODUCTIVE, OUR DECISIONS JUST OUR ACTIONS ALWAYS IN SERVICE TO THE BETTERMENT OF OUR SCHOOLS AND THE STUDENTS THEY SERVE.

IT'S IN JESUS CHRIST'S NAME WE PRAY.

AMEN.

OF ALLEGIANCE]PLEDGE] THANK YOU, TRUSTEE SEXTON.

OUR NEXT AGENDA ITEM IS PUBLIC COMMENTS.

MRS. YELTON, DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS TONIGHT? WE DO NOT HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS THIS EVENING.

NOT SO I APPRECIATE THAT.

AND WE'LL GET RIGHT ON TO OUR NEXT MATTERS FROM OUR EXECUTIVE SESSION.

[5. CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON ANY MATTERS ADDRESSED IN EXECUTIVE SESSION]

5.1. CONSIDER AND TAKE POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING ABANDONMENT BY CONTRACT OF CONTRACT BY A TEACHER.

DR. LEDBETTER. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, TRUSTEE YEAGER.

YES, ADMINISTRATION HAS TWO RECOMMENDATIONS ON THIS ITEM.

FIRST, IT IS RECOMMENDED THAT THE BOARD APPROVE A FINDING IN ACCORDANCE WITH TEXAS EDUCATION CODE SECTION 21.210C AND 19, TEXAS ADMINISTRATIVE CODE SECTION 249.14 J.

THAT GOOD CAUSE DOES NOT EXIST FOR TEACHER BENJAMIN GATH'S ABANDONMENT OF HIS TERM, CONTRACT OF EMPLOYMENT, ABANDONMENT OF HIS POSITION, AND ATTEMPT TO RESIGN FROM CARROLL ISD WEEKS AFTER THE RESIGNATION DEADLINE FOR THE 23-24 SCHOOL YEAR.

SECONDLY, IT IS RECOMMENDED THAT THE BOARD SUBMIT THE INFORMATION REQUIRED BY 19 TEXAS ADMINISTRATIVE CODE 249.14 J TO THE TEXAS EDUCATION AGENCY EDUCATOR CERTIFICATION DIVISION, SEEKING SANCTIONS FOR BENJAMIN GATH'S ABANDONMENT OF HIS EMPLOYMENT CONTRACT.

THANK YOU.

AND IS THERE A MOTION? MR. YEAGER, I HAVE A MOTION.

I MOVE THAT THE BOARD ISSUE A FINDING IN ACCORDANCE WITH TEXAS EDUCATION CODE SECTION 21.210,C2 AND 19.

TEXAS ADMINISTRATIVE CODE 249.14J.

THAT GOOD CAUSE DOES NOT EXIST FOR MR. BENJAMIN GATH, A TEACHER ON A TERM CONTRACT, TO ABANDON HIS EMPLOYMENT CONTRACT, ABANDON HIS POSITION AND ATTEMPT TO RESIGN FROM CARROLL ISD WEEKS AFTER THE RESIGNATION DEADLINE.

SECOND. THERE HAS BEEN A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MATTER? AND PLEASE VOTE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AND ALL THOSE OPPOSED?

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AND I SHOULD HAVE VOTED MYSELF 5-0.

THANK YOU. THE NEXT MR. YEAGER, I HAVE A SECOND MOTION TO MAKE.

THANK YOU. I MOVE THAT THE BOARD AUTHORIZE THE BOARD PRESIDENT TO SUBMIT A LETTER TO THE TEXAS EDUCATION AGENCY EDUCATOR CERTIFICATION DIVISION SEEKING SANCTIONS AGAINST MR. BENJAMIN GATH, A TERM CONTRACT TEACHER, FOR ABANDONMENT OF HIS EMPLOYMENT CONTRACT WITH CARROLL ISD.

SECOND. THERE'S BEEN A MOTION AND A SECOND.

IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MATTER? IF NOT MAY WE VOTE? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? OKAY. THAT'S FINE.

ALL THOSE OPPOSED? NONE.

AND MOTION PASSES 5-0.

THANK YOU, TRUSTEE LANNEN.

MOVING TO 5.2, OUR SECOND MATTER FROM THE EXECUTIVE SESSION THAT'S CONSIDER AND TAKE POSSIBLE ACTION ON HIRING RECOMMENDATION FOR AN EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF HUMAN RESOURCES.

AND I KNOW, DR.

SMALSKAS, THIS IS ONE THAT MAKES YOU HAPPY BECAUSE WE'VE HAD A NEED THERE, SO.

YES, SIR. WE SURE DO.

SO I AM GOING TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO PROMOTE FROM WITHIN MISS MELANIE THIBODEAU, FROM OUR HR COORDINATOR TO THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF HUMAN RESOURCES.

WONDERFUL. AND DO WE HAVE A MOTION? WE DO. I MOVE TO APPROVE THE RECOMMENDATION.

SECOND. THERE'S BEEN A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MATTER.

IF NOT, WE SHALL VOTE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION.

ALL THOSE OPPOSED? 5-0 THE MOTION PASSES.

THANK YOU, DR. SMALSKAS, AND CONGRATULATIONS TO OUR NEW PROMOTED EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF HUMAN RESOURCES.

AND LASTLY, 5.3, CONSIDER AND TAKE POSSIBLE ACTION ON ANY OTHER MATTERS.

DR. LEDBETTER, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY WE DON'T HAVE ANY.

ALL RIGHT. WONDERFUL.

MOVING ALONG TO THE INFORMATION PORTION OF OUR OF OUR MEETING.

[6. INFORMATION]

AND WHO WOULD BE THAT WOULD BE DR.

SMALSKAS. OKAY.

WONDERFUL. NO.

THAT'S GREAT.

I'M SORRY, GUYS, I THINK I JUST DID SOMETHING I SHOULDN'T HAVE.

I HIT THIS LAPTOP.

THE LID WAS REALLY CLOSE AND I ACCIDENTALLY PUSHED IT DOWN, SO I APOLOGIZE.

ALL RIGHT. PERFECT. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

BOARD OF TRUSTEES I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED ON MY PRESENTATION TONIGHT ON THE COMPENSATION ADJUSTMENT.

AND. OKAY.

I AM TRYING TO ADVANCE THE SLIDE.

HEY, GUYS, I CAN'T ADVANCE IT.

WE'RE HAVING ALL SORTS OF TROUBLE TODAY I APOLOGIZE.

THERE WE GO. PERFECT.

ALL RIGHT. WE'LL TRY THIS ALL OVER AGAIN.

SO GOOD EVENING.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE AND REMIND EVERYONE THAT PER BOARD POLICY IT IS REQUIRED THAT THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES SCHOOL BOARD MUST APPROVE COMPENSATION PLANS AS A PART OF THE ANNUAL BUDGET. SINCE SINCE WE ARE IN THE BUDGETING PROCESS.

THIS IS WHY I'M PROVIDING YOU WITH THIS INFORMATION THIS EVENING.

AND THIS ALSO INCLUDES APPROVAL OF THE ANNUAL TEACHER HIRING SCHEDULE.

SO REALLY QUICK HERE JUST A RECAP.

IN MARCH WHEN I PRESENTED OUR SALARY STUDY, THIS WAS OUR MARKET COMPARISON GROUPS THAT WE HAD OUR STUDY CONDUCTED AGAINST.

AND IN MARCH YOU DID DO THE APPROVE THE 3% OF MIDPOINT PAY INCREASE.

AND THIS WOULD BRING US UP TO MARKET FOR OUR TEACHERS.

AND SO THIS EQUATES TO ALL YEARS OF SERVICE SEEING AN INCREASE PAY OF APPROXIMATELY $19.36 AND THEREFORE THE IMPACT TO THE BUDGET WAS PRESENTED BACK IN, IN MARCH.

THAT BEING SAID, REALLY QUICKLY, LOOKING AT OUR TEACHER ANNUAL HIRING SALARY SCHEDULE, OUR ZERO TEACHER COMING IN WITH NO EXPERIENCE WOULD BE NOW MAKING IN YEAR ZERO AT $60,200.

AND SO THIS IS THE TEACHER HIRING SCHEDULE THAT IS PRESENTED BEFORE YOU, OUR 16 THROUGH 30 YEARS.

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IN ADDITION, WE HAVE TWO PAY GRADES THAT I WANT TO BRING TO TO LIGHT THAT NOT ONLY DID YOU GIVE US THE 3% FOR ALL STAFF, BUT WE ALSO WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE LOOKED AT ALL OF OUR NON TEACHING PAY GRADES TO MAKE SURE OUR MIDPOINT WAS AT LEAST 95% OF MARKET.

AND WHEN WE DID THAT STUDY, THESE TWO AREAS OF CLERICAL PARAPROFESSIONALS AND AUXILIARY THEY WERE BELOW.

AND SO THIS WOULD BE THE IMPACT TO OUR BUDGET TO BRING THOSE MIDPOINTS UP TO 95% OF MARKET.

SO THAT'S CLERICAL AND PROFESSIONALS AND AUXILIARY.

LUCKILY, OUR ADMINISTRATIVE PROFESSIONAL IS THEY'RE RIGHT AT 98%.

SO WE DID NOT HAVE TO ADJUST THAT PARTICULAR PAY GRADE.

AND SO WE WILL BE BRINGING BACK THAT INFORMATION ON THE 29TH.

SO DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? DR. SMALSKAS, I DO HAVE A QUESTION ON THE CLERICAL PARA PARAPROFESSIONALS.

IS THAT ONE WHOLE CATEGORY OR IS IT PARAPROFESSIONALS ACROSS THE BOARD? IT'S PARAPROFESSIONALS ACROSS THE BOARD FOR EACH OF THE DIFFERENT PAY GRADES.

SO WE HAVE WE HAVE 1234, 65.

WE HAVE [INAUDIBLE] 9 DIFFERENT PAY GRADES WITHIN THAT CATEGORY OKAY.

THANK YOU. THAT'S CORRECT.

SO HOW MANY INDIVIDUALS THROUGHOUT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT IS THAT GOING TO IMPACT? OH GOODNESS. I HAD THAT ON MY MARCH.

I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY ABOUT 300 ISH SO IT'S NOT ADDING JUST AN ADDITIONAL $19,000 ACROSS, $19,000 FLAT.

IT'S $19,000 FOR THE DISTRICT.

THE IMPACT TO THE DISTRICT.

BUT IT'S NOT $19,000 TIMES 300.

CORRECT? OKAY. THAT IS CORRECT.

I WANTED TO MAKE SURE. YES. THANK YOU.

YES. SO, DR. SMALSKAS, JUST TO BE CLEAR, IF YOU I KNOW WE'RE NOT APPROVING THIS TONIGHT, BUT WHEN YOU BRING IT BACK AT THE NEXT BOARD MEETING, IT WILL BE A 3% INCREASE FOR THESE TWO CATEGORIES OF STAFF, OF THE PARAPROFESSIONALS AND THE AUXILIARY STAFF.

AND THE TOTAL COST IMPACT FOR ALL OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS IS ONLY $19,000.

FOR GETTING THE MIDPOINT AT 95% OF MARKET.

THAT IS CORRECT.

AND I THINK TRUSTEE LANNEN, THAT BULLET POINT THERE, I CAN'T TELL YOU WHAT SLIDE THAT IS LOOKS LIKE SLIDE TEN, RIGHT, THAT ADMIN PROFESSIONALS ARE READY AT 98% OF MARKET.

THAT'S CORRECT. SO I THINK I THOUGHT THE SAME THING.

IT SEEMED LIKE A VERY SMALL NUMBER FOR US USUALLY.

YEAH. AND I THINK DR.

SMALSKAS THAT'S WHY THAT IS CORRECT.

LITTLE ADJUSTMENTS LITTLE ADJUSTMENTS NEEDED OKAY.

THAT'S CORRECT.

YOU FOR SAYING THAT. YEAH.

AND AND JUST I DON'T RECALL WHAT ALL AUXILIARY INCLUDES.

CAN YOU JUST GIVE ME A ROUGH IDEA OF WHAT AUXILIARY STAFF INCLUDES.

SO THAT'S YOUR BUS TRANSPORTATION, CHILD NUTRITION, CUSTODIAL MAINTENANCE OKAY.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

AND IF I RECALL, JUST FOR PERSPECTIVE, THAT LAST MEETING WE SAW AND MAYBE IT WAS THAT SLIDE, SO MANY OF THE VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS TO GET THEM INTO THE 95, 3% REALLY WAS SORT OF THIS MAGIC NUMBER THAT HELPED OUT SO MANY DEPARTMENTS.

AND IT WAS JUST A FEW THAT NEEDED, I THINK, THIS TWEAK.

CORRECT. OKAY. WELL, I THINK WE ALL KNOW THAT WE HAVEN'T DONE A BASE SALARY INCREASE.

WE DIDN'T DO ONE AT ALL LAST YEAR.

I KNOW WE GAVE A LUMP SUM, AND EVEN THE PREVIOUS YEAR I THINK IT WAS ONLY 1%.

AND WE GAVE ALSO A LUMP SUM.

SO WE'RE A LITTLE BEHIND.

AND I THINK WE ALL REALIZE THAT WE'RE GOING TO KEEP FALLING BEHIND IF WE DON'T DO SOME KIND OF AN INCREASE, NOT JUST FOR TEACHING STAFF, BUT FOR THE OTHER STAFF MEMBERS.

SO I'M I'M FULLY SUPPORTIVE OF IT.

I KNOW WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT IT AGAIN AT THE NEXT MEETING.

THANK YOU DR. SMALSKAS.

THANK YOU. MOVING ALONG IF THERE IS ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT MATTER.

GOING TO OUR SECOND INFORMATION ONLY TOPIC 6.2, WHICH IS A FACILITY ASSESSMENT PRESENTATION FROM DBR AND CORGAN AS RELATED TO FACILITIES ASSESSMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE STRATEGIC ACTION PLAN.

AND MR. JOHNSON, WELCOME TO THE PODIUM.

THANK YOU TRUSTEE YEAGER, I'D LIKE TO GIVE THE BOARD IN OUR COMMUNITY A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND.

IT IS, AGAIN STEMMING FROM THE STRATEGIC ACTION PLAN FROM A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO.

LAST YEAR, WE WENT THROUGH I WENT THROUGH A PROCESS TO IDENTIFY QUALIFIED PROFESSIONALS TO PERFORM THIS WORK.

SO TONIGHT WE'RE GOING TO BRING TO YOU A DBR, AN ENGINEERING FIRM IN CORGAN, WHICH IS AN ARCHITECTURE FIRM AS A RESULT OF ALL THE WORK THAT HAPPENED LAST YEAR, THE QUALIFYING OF

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SO WE'VE REALLY BEEN LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS.

AND WITH THAT SAID, I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO KYLE MAZAK, OUR DIRECTOR OF FACILITIES, TO KIND OF GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE BACKGROUND.

THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, BOARD OF TRUSTEES.

DR. LEDBETTER. GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN TONIGHT.

JUST REAL QUICKLY, IN COLLABORATION WITH DBR AND CORGAN, WE'VE ENDEAVORED TO ENSURE THAT OUR FACILITIES ASSESSMENT IS AS PRECISE AS IT COULD BE, AND SO THAT THAT INFORMATION COULD BE DOCUMENTED AND USED FOR FUTURE REFERENCES.

SO CORGAN PROVIDED AN ASSESSMENT OF OUR BUILDING ENVELOPE, OFFERING AN OVERVIEW OF OUR FACILITY AND ITS CURRENT CONDITION, WHERE DBR CONDUCTED AN EVALUATION OF OUR MEP, MECHANICAL, ELECTRICAL, PLUMBING.

THEY ALSO OFFERED A WHAT WE HAVE ENLISTED WHAT WE HAVE, AND USED AN INDUSTRY STANDARD TO GIVE US AN ESTIMATED LIFE CYCLE COST ON THAT.

ALL OF THIS INFORMATION HAS BEEN COMPILED TOGETHER TO ENABLE CARROLL ISD TO HAVE A GOOD LIFE CYCLE COST REPLACEMENT FOR ALL ASPECTS OF ITS FACILITY. SO TONIGHT, KENNETH CUMMINS WITH CORGAN WILL BE PRESENTING A HIGH LEVEL VIEW OF OUR FACILITIES, AND HE WILL ALSO TAKE A DEEP DIVE INTO ONE SCHOOL.

WE CHOSE CARROLL ELEMENTARY SCHOOL TONIGHT.

ERIC THEANDER WITH DBR WILL BE PRESENTING A HIGH LEVEL VIEW OF OUR MEP ASSESSMENTS AND WHAT HE PINPOINTED.

HE'S GOING TO TAKE A DEEPER DIVE INTO OLD UNION ELEMENTARY.

WE JUST CHOSE THAT SCHOOL FOR TONIGHT.

AND THE PROCESS WITH THESE SCHOOLS IS THE SAME WITH EVERY SCHOOL.

WE JUST CHOSE THESE TO PRESENT SOME INFORMATION.

SO WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO HAVE KEITH WITH CORGAN AND ARCHITECTS TO COME UP AND GIVE A PRESENTATION.

THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

EXCUSE ME. I'M KEITH CUMMINS WITH CORGAN ARCHITECTURE FIRM.

SO I'M GOING TO RUN THROUGH THIS POWERPOINT PRESENTATION OF OUR ASSESSMENT PROCESS TO GIVE YOU SOME INSIGHT OF WHAT WE DID IN THE ASSESSMENT, AND THEN OPEN IT UP TO ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE FOR US, SO.

JUST THE ASSESSMENT TEAM AS MENTIONED, CORGAN PERFORMED THE ARCHITECTURE ASSESSMENT, BUT WE ALSO HAD SOME ADDITIONAL CONSULTANTS TO ASSIST US THROUGH THAT PROCESS.

WE HAD A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER, LA FUESS TO DO THE STRUCTURAL ASSESSMENT.

WE HAD CIVIL ENGINEERING, RLK, WE ALSO HAD ARMKO FOR THE ROOFING ASSESSMENT AND FDP FOR THE KITCHEN, THE EQUIPMENT IN THE KITCHEN FACILITIES. THIS IS A LITTLE MORE DETAIL OF OUR ACTUAL FACILITY ASSESSMENT THAT WE PERFORMED.

WE ON THE ARCHITECTURAL SIDE, WE LOOKED AT THE EXTERIOR OF THE FACILITY AND ALSO THE INTERIOR, LOOKED AT THINGS LIKE THE EXTERIOR WALLS, THE DOORS, THE RAILINGS, JUST FOR THE CONDITION OF THEM.

AND ALSO IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT NEEDED TO BE IMMEDIATELY LOOKED AT OR COULD BE LOOKED AT FURTHER IN THE FUTURE ON THE INTERIOR.

VERY SIMILAR. WE LOOKED AT CEILINGS, PAINT, WALL CONDITIONS, THE FLOORING, EVERYTHING THAT YOU CAN SEE ON THE INTERIOR OF THE BUILDING.

OUR STRUCTURAL ENGINEER LOOKED AT FOUNDATIONS, LOOKED AT THE EXPANSION JOINTS, THE ROOF FRAMING TO LOOK AT THAT ASSESSMENT.

AND THEN WE HAD A SEPARATE ROOFING CONSULTANT ACTUALLY LOOK AT THE ROOFING CONDITION.

THEY WALKED ALL THE ROOFS TO GET THE ASSESSMENT OF THAT.

AND THEN FOOD SERVICE LOOKED AT THE EQUIPMENT, DID A LIST OF ALL THE EQUIPMENT, AND LOOKED AT THE CONDITIONS AGAIN TO SEE WHAT CONDITION THEY WERE IN CURRENTLY AND LOOKING FORWARD INTO THE FUTURE.

AND FINALLY WE HAD RLK, WHICH WAS A CIVIL ENGINEER.

ALSO LOOK AT THE SITES, LOOKED AT THE ROADS, THE PARKING, THE SIDEWALKS OF THE FACILITIES.

I DID NOTE ON HERE, AS MENTIONED, WE DID NOT DO ANY OF THE MEP ASSESSMENT THAT WAS PERFORMED BY ANOTHER PARTY.

THE CAMPUSES WE ASSESSED, WE LOOKED AT ALL THE FACILITIES ON THE FOR THE DISTRICT.

ALL THE ELEMENTARY, MIDDLE SCHOOLS, INTERMEDIATE HIGH SCHOOLS ALSO LOOKED AT THE ADMINISTRATION BUILDING.

SO WE WALKED THIS FACILITY, ALSO THE TRANSPORTATION AND DRAGON STADIUM.

SO JUST TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF OUR REPORT I DID ACTUALLY BRING A PRINTED COPY OF THE REPORT.

YOU CAN SEE IT'S ABOUT 576 PAGES.

SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH THIS I KNOW, THANK YOU.

A FUN, FUN REPORT TO GO THROUGH.

BUT JUST TO GIVE YOU A SUMMARY OF IT WE STARTED WITH THE CAMPUS DATA.

JUST THIS IS AN OVERVIEW, KIND OF THE LOCATION, THE YEAR IT WAS BUILT, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF EACH FACILITY.

SO THAT KIND OF STARTED EACH PRESENTATION.

FROM THAT, WE WENT INTO THE ARCHITECTURE EXTERIOR.

AND WHEN WE DID THIS, WE WALKED THE SITE.

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WE MARKED THINGS THAT WE SAW THAT HAD SOME WEAR AND TEAR, BUT ALSO LOOKED AT THINGS THAT WERE IN GOOD CONDITION.

SO WE WANTED TO NOTE THAT AS WELL.

WE FOLLOWED THAT UP WITH ACTUAL PHOTOS WITH SO EVERYTHING THAT YOU SAW NOTED ON THE PLAN ALSO HAS A CORRESPONDING PHOTO WITH THE SIMILAR DESCRIPTION, SO YOU COULD FIND THAT LOCATION THERE.

VERY SIMILAR ON THE INTERIOR.

WE DID THE SAME PROCESS, WALKED IT, LOOKED FOR THINGS THAT MIGHT HAVE SOME WEAR AND TEAR ON IT, AND ALSO LOOKED AT THINGS THAT SEEMED TO BE IN GOOD CONDITION.

JUST TO NOTE THOSE AREAS.

AGAIN, WE DOCUMENTED IT WITH PHOTOS AND AND DESCRIPTIONS OF EACH OF THOSE AREAS.

THE CONSULTANTS THAT WE WORKED WITH DID A VERY SIMILAR PROCESS, SO WE TRY TO KEEP IT CONSISTENT THROUGH THE REPORT.

CIVIL ENGINEER ALSO WALKED IT ON THE EXTERIOR.

THERE WAS A FEW THINGS THAT MIGHT HAVE OVERLAPPED WITH OURS.

THEY WERE LOOKING AT SIMILAR THINGS THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT, BUT THEN THEY WENT INTO MORE SPECIFICS FOR THE CIVIL, FOR THE PAVING AND THE DRIVES AND THE SIDEWALKS.

OUR STRUCTURAL ENGINEER, ALSO WALKING IN EXTERIOR AND INTERIOR, PROVIDED NOTES ON A PLAN.

THEY ALSO PROVIDED AN ACTUAL REPORT WHICH GAVE THEM GAVE AN OVERALL FEEL FOR THE FACILITY AND THEIR STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY.

SO THAT'S INCLUDED FOR EACH CAMPUS AS WELL.

THEY ALSO INCLUDED PHOTOS WITH THE IMAGES AS WELL AND THE DESCRIPTION OF DIFFERENT AREAS.

ROOFING, AS I MENTIONED, WALKED ALL THE FACILITY ROOFS, TOOK PHOTOS, DOCUMENTED IT, AND THEN THEY ALSO PROVIDED A REPORT GIVING JUST THEIR OVERALL CONSENSUS OF WHAT THE CONDITION OF EACH ROOF WAS FOR THE CAMPUS.

CAMPUSES. AND FOOD SERVICE LOOKS A LITTLE DIFFERENT BECAUSE THEY LOOKED AT EACH PIECE OF EQUIPMENT IN EACH FACILITY AND THEN GAVE IT A SCALE, WHETHER IT'S IN GOOD CONDITION ALL THE WAY TO POOR CONDITION, AND THEN LISTED, THAT IS WHEN THEY ARE RECOMMENDING THE LIFE CYCLE TO BE REPLACED FOR EACH PIECE OF EQUIPMENT. FOLLOWING THIS PROCESS, WE ACTUALLY HIRED A THIRD PARTY ESTIMATING ESTIMATING COMPANY TO DO A LIFE CYCLE COST REPORT.

WE USED MCCASLIN ASSOCIATES, EXCUSE ME, MCCASLIN ASSOCIATES.

SO THEY TOOK THE DATA THAT WE PROVIDED THEM AND DID A LIFE CYCLE COST REPORT.

IN THIS, WE BROKE IT INTO FOUR DIFFERENT CATEGORIES.

WE LOOKED AT LIFE CYCLE REPAIRS IN THE NEXT 0 TO 5 YEARS.

WE DID 5 TO 15, 15 TO 25 AND THEN FINALLY OVER 25.

AND THE WAY THIS WAS SET UP IS IF THERE WAS AN AREA THAT WE WERE FEELING THAT NEEDED TO BE REPLACED IN THE NEXT 0 TO 5 YEARS, THAT COST WAS CAPTURED THERE.

YOU WON'T SEE THAT COST ON THE NEXT ONE, BECAUSE IT WOULD HAVE BEEN CAPTURED IN THAT 0 TO 5 YEARS.

SO WE DIDN'T REPEAT THE COST EVERY YEAR.

IF IT WAS TAKEN CARE OF THERE, THEN YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO REPEAT IT AGAIN.

SO THAT WAS HOW THAT WAS DONE.

AND THAT IS A SUMMARY OF WHAT IS IN THIS BOOKLET THAT I BROUGHT TODAY.

IF YOU DO HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.

YEAH. MR. CUMMINS, I JUST HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS.

SO I GUESS THE BIGGEST CONCERN IS WHETHER OR NOT YOU GUYS IDENTIFIED ANYTHING THAT'S A SAFETY MATTER THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED IMMEDIATELY. DID YOU HAPPEN TO COME ACROSS ANYTHING THAT IS REALLY A SAFETY MATTER THAT'S PRESSING TO ADDRESS IMMEDIATELY? WE DID NOT.

IN FACT, WE'VE DONE A NUMBER OF ASSESSMENTS ACROSS MANY SCHOOL DISTRICTS IN NORTHEAST TEXAS.

WE FOUND THE FACILITIES TO BE IN IN VERY GOOD CONDITION.

THERE'S ALWAYS SOME THINGS THAT HAVE SOME WEAR AND TEAR, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NORMAL WITH A BUILDING.

BUT WE WE DID NOT SEE ANY SAFETY CONCERNS.

OKAY. AND SINCE YOU DESCRIBED HOW THE ESTIMATING WAS ORGANIZED, JUST SO I UNDERSTAND, IF WE WERE TO TAKE THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND MAKE ALL THE UPGRADES OR REPAIRS OR WHATEVER IN SEQUENTIAL ORDER, THEN EACH GROUP OF COSTS ARE NOT DUPLICATED IN THE NEXT SET OF COSTS, AND YOU GROUPED IT BY, I GUESS, AS I UNDERSTOOD WHAT IS MOST IMMEDIATELY NEEDED, FOLLOWED BY WHAT WOULD BE NEEDED NEXT.

AND IT'S KIND OF SEQUENCED OUT OVER 20 YEARS.

CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.

YEAH. OKAY. ANYTHING THAT WAS NOTED IN OUR REPORT AS BEING UP, GETTING CLOSER TO ITS LIFE CYCLE WAS CAPTURED IN THAT FIRST SECTION.

THINGS THAT WERE NOT AS YOU GOT DOWN.

ACTUALLY, IF YOU GET PAST THE 15 TO 25 YEAR AND OVER 25, THOSE ARE ITEMS THAT ARE NOT IN OUR REPORTS BECAUSE THEY'RE IN GOOD CONDITION NOW, WHEN YOU'RE PROJECTING OUT, THAT'S JUST WHEN YOU GET OUT TO 25 YEARS, YOU'RE PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE TO REPLACE A LOT MORE FLOORS, A LOT MORE WALLS, THINGS LIKE THAT.

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BUT THAT WOULD NOT BE, IT'S BEING SHOWN AS IN GOOD CONDITION RIGHT NOW ON REPORT.

JUST KNOWING THAT IT WOULD NOT.

IT PROBABLY NEED SOME UPDATES IN 25 YEARS.

AND ALL OF THE ESTIMATES ARE BASED ON BRAND NEW, I GUESS, EQUIPMENT AND MATERIALS AND NOT NECESSARILY REPAIRING OR TRYING TO PRESS THE LIFE OF WHATEVER INTO THE FUTURE.

CORRECT. IF IT'S ANYTHING THAT WOULD IT WOULD BE THINGS THAT WOULD BE REPLACED.

YES. LIKE FLOORING SOME CEILINGS, THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO IT'D BE REPLACEMENT COST, NOT JUST REPAIR COST AT THAT POINT.

THANK YOU, MR. CUMMINS.

YES. SIMILARLY TO THE LIFE SAFETY HEALTH ISSUES.

WERE THERE ANY I NOTICED THAT IT IT APPEARED THAT THERE WERE SOME REGULATORY ISSUES, LIKE AN ADA SIGN WASN'T IN PLACE.

DID I SEE THAT? THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE DIDN'T DO AN EXACT REPORT ON, LIKE ADA.

THAT'S A SEPARATE REPORT THAT CAN BE DONE.

BUT IF THERE WAS ANYTHING THAT WE NOTICED THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN SOME WEAR AND TEAR ON THAT, THAT'S MORE WHAT WE LOOKED AT.

BUT WE DID NOT DO A FULL ADA ASSESSMENT.

OKAY. THANK YOU. MR. CUMMINS. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I NOTICED WHEN I WAS READING THIS REPORT AT HOME BEFORE THE MEETING IS THE FOOD SERVICE REPORT.

IT SEEMED LIKE NOTHING WAS.

EVERYTHING WAS A ONE.

SO IN BASICALLY IN IMMEDIATE NEED OF REPAIR, INCLUDING SOMETHING LIKE A TABLE.

AND I'M JUST, I JUST, I GET I DON'T KNOW IF OTHER TRUSTEES LOOKED AT THIS.

I FELT LIKE IF ONE HAD NO NEVER BEEN IN THAT KITCHEN, IT SEEMS LIKE IT IS A CALAMITY.

AND I'M JUST CURIOUS IF BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE PICTURES.

I DON'T RECALL SEEING PICTURES FOR THE KITCHEN.

WERE YOU INVOLVED OR, YOU KNOW, YOU HAD A PARTNER DO THE KITCHEN? WE DID. RIGHT. AND AND ACTUALLY THE FIRST COLUMN WITH THE ONES THAT THAT'S JUST THE QUANTITIES.

OKAY. IF YOU GO TO THE OTHER SECTIONS, IF YOU GO TO THE P TWO OR THE P FOUR, THAT'S WHERE THE ACTUAL CONDITION AND THE RECOMMENDATION IS.

OKAY. THERE WAS A NUMBER OF CAMPUSES THAT WERE IN THE P THREE TO P FOUR.

THIS ONE THAT I DID AN EXAMPLE WAS MOST OF THEM WERE IN THE P TWO AREA.

SO THAT'S 5 TO 15 YEARS OKAY.

UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU FOR CLEARING THAT OUT.

I DIDN'T SEE MANY ITEMS, IF ANY, THAT WERE THAT URGENT.

I THINK MOST FELL THAT I RECALL, FELL IN THE P TWO TO THE P THREE.

THANK YOU FOR POINTING THAT OUT.

YEAH NO PROBLEM OKAY. APPRECIATE IT.

WE HAVE A SAFE KITCHEN.

TRUSTEES. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. CUMMINS? THE SPECIFICITY HERE IS WONDERFUL.

I CAN SAY JUST HAVING THAT RANKING IS EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.

WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF MONEY RIGHT NOW TO DO THINGS THAT WE CAN'T GET BY WITH FOR A FEW MORE YEARS, AND SO I REALLY DO APPRECIATE THIS.

APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU KEITH.

AT THIS TIME, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ERIC THEANDER COME UP AND PRESENT THE DBR PRESENTATION.

HELLO, I AM ERIC THEANDER WITH DBR ENGINEERING AND I WAS WITH THE MEP ENGINEER DOING THE MEP ASSESSMENT.

SO BASICALLY WE DID THE SAME FACILITIES THAT CORGAN DID AS WELL.

ALL THE ELEMENTARY, INTERMEDIATE, HIGH SCHOOL, SENIOR HIGH ADMIN, TRANSPORTATION, AQUATIC CENTER, ALL THE ALL THE DISTRICT FACILITIES BASICALLY.

WE WENT AROUND AND WE REVIEWED THE CONDITION OF YOUR MECHANICAL, ELECTRICAL, PLUMBING SYSTEMS. I THINK THIS IS A LITTLE OFF.

WE DID FIRE SUPPRESSION AND TECHNOLOGY AS WELL.

SO FOR THIS EXAMPLE, WE'RE USING THE OLD UNION ASSESSMENT THAT WE CREATED.

ACTING UP. SO WE DID AN OVERVIEW.

WE BASED ON THE YEAR THAT IT WAS CONSTRUCTED, WE DETERMINED THE APPLICABLE CODES THAT WERE USED IN THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE FACILITY.

WE DETERMINED THE SQUARE FOOTAGE AND THEN GAVE A BRIEF ASSESSMENT OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IN EACH OF THEM.

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AND WE, WE, WE ASSESS THEM BASED ON THEIR AGE.

SO WITH MEP SYSTEMS, THE THE INDUSTRY STANDARD IN ASSESSMENT IS TO GO OFF THE AGE OF THE EQUIPMENT.

AND SO THESE ARE THESE ARE INDUSTRY STANDARD LIFE EXPECTANCIES, WHICH WE USED IN DETERMINING THE LIFE CYCLES COST THAT WE HAVE AT THE END OF THIS REPORT, BASED ON ALL OF THE FINDINGS WE HAD GOING THROUGH THE FACILITIES.

BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, WE WENT AROUND AND DOCUMENTED ALL MAJOR MECHANICAL UNITS, ROOFTOP UNITS, SPLIT SYSTEMS. WE DID ELECTRICAL SWITCHGEAR, PANEL BOARDS, PLUMBING PIPING, WATER HEATERS, EXHAUST FANS.

SO AGAIN, ANY OF YOUR MAJOR MEP SYSTEMS FOR THE MOST PART.

GET DOWN TO THE LIFE COSTS.

YOU GUYS TOOK A PICTURE OF EVERYTHING.

FOR THE MOST PART, YES.

I MEAN, WE WE DID GROUP SOME LIKE, ROOFTOP UNITS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

WHERE AGAIN, SAME AGE, SAME SIZE, LIKE TONNAGE AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.

WE GROUP THEM TOGETHER BECAUSE AGAIN, IN TERMS OF THE LIFE CYCLES COST, THEY'RE GOING TO COST THE SAME.

BUT YES, WE DID WALK EVERY SINGLE BUILDING DOCUMENT EVERY UNIT, EVERYTHING.

SO WE WERE WE WERE VERY THOROUGH.

PLUMBING FIXTURES AS WELL.

PIPING. FIRE ALARM.

LIGHTING CONTROLS.

FIRE SPRINKLER.

WE DID DO AGAIN TECHNOLOGY.

SO, LIKE, YOUR SECURITY, YOUR ACCESS CONTROL.

I THINK WE HAD WIRELESS ACCESS AND EVERYTHING IN THERE AS WELL.

YOUR AV CONNECTIONS.

SPEAKERS. OKAY.

AND THEN HERE IS OUR LIFE CYCLES COST.

AND SO BASICALLY, LIKE I SAID, WE, WE GAVE WE ON THIS LIFE CYCLE COST, WE HAVE THE ID NUMBER, WHICH CORRESPONDS TO A PICTURE FROM OUR, OUR REPORT ITSELF. WE IDENTIFIED THE TYPE OF THE SYSTEM MECHANICAL, ELECTRICAL, PLUMBING, SAFETY.

SAFETY WOULD BE LIKE THE FIRE SUPPRESSION, FIRE ALARM.

AND THEN I THINK WE HAVE THE YEAH, THE TECHNOLOGY AS WELL.

WE ALSO THEN GAVE IT A PRIORITY CODE AND OUR PRIORITY CODE IS BASED OFF.

HERE IT IS. SO PRIORITY ONE IS REPLACED NOW IT'S BASICALLY IN BAD CONDITION AGAIN BASED ON LIFE EXPECTANCY INDUSTRY STANDARDS.

FOR INSTANCE, SAY A ROOFTOP UNIT HAS A 20 YEAR INDUSTRY STANDARD LIFE EXPECTANCY.

SO BASED ON THE THE TAGS WE NOTED DURING OUR REPORT, WE WERE ABLE TO DETERMINE PRIORITY ONE UNITS ARE 20 PLUS YEARS OLD AND ARE PAST THEIR USEFUL LIFE EXPECTANCY, BASICALLY.

AND THEN WE DID PRIORITY TWO IS REPAIR OR REPLACE IN 1 TO 3 YEARS.

THEY'RE IN FAIR CONDITION, BUT THEY'RE GETTING CLOSE TO THE END OF THEIR LIFE EXPECTANCY.

AND THEN THREE IS IN GOOD CONDITION 3 TO 5 YEARS.

AND SO AGAIN OUR LIFE EXPECTANCY ON YOUR YOUR EQUIPMENT IS GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT SHORTER THAN SOME OF YOUR ARCHITECTURAL ITEMS OBVIOUSLY.

THAT'S WHY OUR FRAMES OR YEARS IS A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TOGETHER THAN WHAT YOU SAW WITH CORGAN'S.

AND THEN SO WE HAVE THE FULL TOTALS.

SO RIGHT HERE WE HAVE PRIORITY CODE ONE, THE FULL AMOUNT BASED ON THE NUMBER OF UNITS AND THE PRICING AND EVERYTHING BACK UP THROUGH THE TABLE.

WE ALSO HAVE THE FULL NUMBER FOR PRIORITY TWO LISTED FROM THE TABLE AND THE FULL NUMBER FROM THREE.

WE ALSO DID LIST ANY CODE VIOLATIONS WE NOTICED.

NOW AGAIN A LOT OF THESE ARE GRANDFATHERED IN FROM THE CURRENT INSTALLATION.

BUT THOSE ARE ITEMS THAT COULD BE FACTORED IN THAT WOULD NEED TO BE BROUGHT TO CODE IF YOU WERE TO REPLACE THOSE SYSTEMS. SO WE DID NOTE THOSE AS WELL FOR YOUR USE.

AND AGAIN YEAH INDUSTRY STANDARDS ARE AGAIN BASED ON THE LIFE EXPECTANCY IS BASED ON INDUSTRY STANDARDS.

AGAIN, THIS IS NOT HARD SET DATES.

I MEAN THERE YOU CAN HAVE UNITS THAT COULD LAST 25 YEARS INSTEAD OF 20 WITH GOOD MAINTENANCE AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

BUT AGAIN, OUR REPORTS BASED OFF THOSE, THOSE GENERAL INDUSTRY STANDARDS, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IN TERMS OF THE AGE OF YOUR EQUIPMENT AND

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I'M JUST CURIOUS.

I SEE YOUR TABLE AT THE BOTTOM OF MY PERSONAL SCREEN JUST BEYOND THE SCREEN THAT'S SHOWING RIGHT NOW WHERE IT SAYS ONE EQUALS REPLACE NOW, BAD.

THAT SOUNDS I MEAN, I'VE HAD INSPECTIONS DONE ON, YOU KNOW, HOMES BEFORE, AND IT ALWAYS SOUNDS LIKE THE THINGS FALLING APART.

RIGHT. BUT I'M CURIOUS.

I MEAN, THERE'S A COUPLE OF REFERENCES WHERE ONE IS SHOWN AND IT IS NEXT TO SECURITY OR SAFETY AND IT, YOU KNOW, I'M MY WHOLE QUESTION HERE FOR MR. CUMMINS WAS DID YOU FIND ANYTHING THAT IS GOING TO MAKE THE FACILITY LESS SAFE OR LET'S CALL IT UNSAFE? SO ESPECIALLY WHERE WE HAVE ONES AND IT REFERENCES SAFETY OR SECURITY, I GUESS I HAVE TO ASK, YOU KNOW, OR DO WE HAVE ANY SAFETY OR SECURITY ISSUES THAT YOU GUYS WERE ABLE TO IDENTIFY? THAT ARE LIKE IMMEDIATE NEED.

I MEAN, AGAIN, I DON'T THINK THERE THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WITH THESE SYSTEMS AS IS.

AGAIN, THEY'RE JUST OLDER SYSTEMS. SO AGAIN, WE WE WERE PREDOMINANTLY LOOKING AT AGE AND THEN ALSO JUST PHYSICAL.

I MEAN IF YOU HAD A UNIT THAT JUST WAS ABSOLUTELY YOU COULD TELL BY LOOKING AT IT, IT'S BEEN BEATEN, WEATHERED, HAIL DAMAGE LIKE IT, YOU COULD LOOK AT IT AND BE LIKE THAT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED.

BUT AGAIN THE MAJORITY OF OUR ASSESSMENTS IS BASED ON THE LIFE EXPECTANCY OR THE AGE OF THE EQUIPMENT.

SO LIKE ON THIS ONE, LIKE YOU SAID, FOR THE LIFE SAFETY WE HAVE THE REPLACE THE SPRINKLER HEADS.

AGAIN THAT'S BASED ON THE, THE LIFE EXPECTANCY, THE GENERAL INDUSTRY STANDARD LIFE EXPECTANCY OF YOUR SPRINKLER HEADS.

ALSO LOOKING AT THEM, YOU CAN TELL SOMETIMES WHEN THEY'RE ALL DIRTY OR CORRODED AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

MAYBE YOU'VE HAD SOME LEAKS WITH THE SYSTEM.

WE WOULD NOTE THAT MORE AS A NUMBER ONE ITEM LIKE THAT.

OKAY. AND I'M CURIOUS, WHEN YOU WERE LOOKING AT THE FIRE SUPPRESSION SYSTEMS DO YOU ALSO DO ANY KIND OF TESTS TO SEE IF THEY ACTUALLY WORK WHEN YOU PULL THE ALARM OR WHATEVER YOU NEED TO DO TO ACTIVATE? OR ARE YOU JUST SEEING IF THEY'RE RUNNING AND WORKING? I, I WONDER IF YOU TAKE IT TO THE NEXT KIND OF STEP WHERE YOU'RE ACTUALLY TESTING THE SYSTEMS. SO WE DID NOT FOR THIS ONE.

WE WERE HIRED FOR JUST A HIGH LEVEL GENERAL ASSESSMENT, WHICH IS WHY WE BASED EVERYTHING OFF, AGAIN, WHAT WE COULD SEE BASICALLY.

AND THEN THE THE INDUSTRY STANDARD FOR LIFE EXPECTANCY WE DID NOT GO IN AND ACTUALLY FUNCTIONALLY TEST EVERY PIECE OF EQUIPMENT.

NO. YOU'RE GOOD. BUT TRUSTEE LANNEN BRINGS UP A GREAT POINT, BECAUSE SAFETY IS THE NUMBER ONE PRIORITY OF OUR STUDENTS.

CAN WE JUST CONFIRM WITH MR. MAZAC THAT THAT IS DONE ON AN ANNUAL BASIS, IF NOT MORE FREQUENTLY THAN THAT? THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION.

WE TEST OUR OUR ACTUAL POLL STATIONS AND FIRE ALARM EVERY YEAR, AND WE DO A TWO YEAR INSPECTION ON OUR SPRINKLER HEADS AND WE DO A FIVE YEAR INSPECTION ALSO ON OUR SPRINKLER SYSTEM, EVERY 1 TO 2 TO 5 YEARS.

WONDERFUL. SO THE SCOPE OF THIS PROJECT WAS WAS NOT TESTING WAS REALLY THE ASSESSMENT SO WONDERFUL.

IF PEOPLE ARE FOLLOWING ALONG, WE JUST WANT THEM TO FEEL SECURE AND KNOWING THAT THOSE SYSTEMS HAVE BEEN CHECKED.

I DID HAVE A QUESTION, AND THIS MIGHT BE BEYOND YOUR SCOPE.

AND MAYBE FOR MR. JOHNSON.

AND THAT IS THE LEGISLATION LEGISLATURE, I BELIEVE IT WAS THE 88TH, THIS LAST ONE, HAD ABOUT A $15,000 B UDGET PER CAMPUS FOR SAFETY NEEDS WHEN YOU SEE HERE AND IT'S GREAT HOW YOU BROKE THIS OUT, I APPRECIATE IT.

AND IT'S NICE TRUSTEE LANNEN THANK YOU.

LOOKING AT SAFETY. RIGHT.

YOU TOUCHED ON THE ONLY ONLY A COUPLE, ACTUALLY, TWO THAT HAD A HIGH PRIORITY.

THE REST OF THEM WERE RANKED NUMBER THREE, SO LOW PRIORITY, BUT WOULD NOT MR. JOHNSON SOME OF THOSE DOLLARS? COULDN'T WE APPLY THOSE TO THESE NEEDS? WE DEFINITELY COULD.

WHEN WE LOOK AT AT ADDITIONAL FUNDING, I ALWAYS COMPARE THAT TO WHAT OUR, OUR CURRENT SPEND IS.

AND SO WHEN WE LOOKED AT WHAT WE GOT OUT OF THE LAST LEGISLATIVE SESSION I WANT TO SAY IT WAS, YOU KNOW, 200 AND A LITTLE UNDER $200,000. AND WHEN I LOOK AT THE BUDGET, WE HAD WELL OVER THAT ALREADY BUDGETED.

SO WE MET OUR SPENDING REQUIREMENTS AS WE TYPICALLY DO.

IT'S NOT A LOT DIFFERENT THAN SOME OF THE ALLOTMENTS THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED AS FAR AS UNDERFUNDING, RIGHT? WE HAVE A LOT OF NEEDS.

WE GET A CERTAIN AMOUNT FROM THE STATE AND THEN WE HAVE TO COVER THAT ABOVE THAT.

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BUT BUT AGAIN, WE'RE ALREADY EXPENDING OVER THAT, THAT THRESHOLD.

NOW COULD YOU REFRESH MY MEMORY.

WAS THAT A ONE TIME OR WAS THAT AN ANNUAL $15,000 PER CAMPUS, PER ISD.

THAT'LL BE IT. THAT'LL BE AN ANNUAL ALLOTMENT, AN ANNUAL ALLOTMENT.

OKAY. THAT'S GREAT.

AND ARE YOU ARE WE ABLE IF WE DIDN'T HAVE THE NEED TO SORT OF ACCRUE YOU KNOW, THOSE DOLLARS FOR WHEN WE HAD IT SOUNDS LIKE PROBABLY THOUGH WE'RE ALWAYS GOING TO BE ABLE TO EASILY SPEND THAT, I THINK AND I THINK, YES, ACCRUING DOLLARS.

I THINK THE STRUGGLE THAT WE HAVE WITH ACCRUING DOLLARS AND SETTING MONEY ASIDE IS WE'RE UPSIDE DOWN FINANCIALLY.

THEY'RE NOT FUNDING US ENOUGH NOW FOR US TO, IN ESSENCE, BASICALLY HAVE ADDITIONAL DOLLARS SET ASIDE, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

YEAH. AND I KNOW THERE WERE PARAMETERS ON THAT.

IT'S JUST FOR SECURITY.

IT WASN'T FOR HVAC OR OTHER NEEDS.

IT, YOU KNOW, I'D HAVE TO DIVE IN A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THE LEGISLATIVE LANGUAGE ON THAT.

BUT AGAIN, WE'RE RIGHT NOW WE GOT THAT THAT GOT GAVE US ABOUT ANOTHER $165,000.

OKAY. AND SO HELPFUL.

BUT YEAH, IT JUST A LITTLE BIT WHEN YOU HAVE 11, WHEN YOU HAVE 11 CAMPUSES AND 2,000,000FT², THAT'S.

YEAH. NO.

AND I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO THANK MR. THEANDER, BECAUSE WHEN YOU TAKE A LOOK FELLOW TRUSTEES, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW OUR FINANCIAL SITUATION AND NOW WE'RE STARTING TO SEE SOME REAL NUMBERS OF FACILITY PRIORITIES.

THIS IS $2 MILLION RIGHT HERE, RIGHT? THAT'S ONE OF OUR 11 CAMPUSES.

SO I IMAGINE WE COULD EXTRAPOLATE THIS OUT, AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SOME, SOME REAL, REAL MONEY.

AND AGAIN, THAT NEED FOR HAVING MONEY FROM THE STATE LEGISLATURE IS KEY.

AND I JUST ONE MORE QUESTION IF I COULD, MR. JOHNSON. JUST BECAUSE MYSELF, AS WELL AS SOME PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE HAVE BEEN ON THE BUDGET AND FINANCE COMMITTEE THIS IS THE NEED WHEN I SEE THIS, THE NEED ALSO FOR A CAPITAL EXPENDITURE SORT OF FUND THAT WE, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAD PER SE, IF YOU COULD JUST MAYBE ENLIGHTEN THE THE PUBLIC WHETHER OR NOT WE'VE HAD THAT OR ARE WE DEVELOPING IT BECAUSE THESE ARE NEEDS THAT KEEP COMING TIMES EVERY, EVERY CAMPUS. WE'LL DEFINITELY BE TALKING ABOUT THAT THROUGH THE NEXT BUDGET, THROUGH THIS BUDGET CYCLE AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT LATER.

OKAY. YES, SIR, I APPRECIATE THAT.

THANK YOU. MR. THEANDER QUICK QUESTION ON ANY OF THE MEP ASSOCIATED ITEMS THAT ARE CONNECTED TO KITCHEN EQUIPMENT LIKE. OVEN VENTS AND GREASE TRAPS.

AND DID YOU SEE ANYTHING THERE THAT SHOULD CONCERN US? THAT NEED TO BE REPLACED, THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE A HAZARD.

WE DID, MARK.

SO YEAH. LIKE RIGHT HERE WE HAVE GREASE TRAP AND WE HAVE THAT LISTED AS A PRIORITY ONE FOR THE OLD UNION.

SO WE DID CHECK THE GREASE TRAPS AS WELL AT THE SCHOOLS.

AGAIN WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT WE CAN SEE.

I MEAN WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY GETTING IN CAMMING THE TRAPS THEMSELVES AND EVERYTHING.

AND AGAIN, WE'RE ALSO GOING BASED OFF THE AGE FROM WHEN WE KNOW THEY WERE INSTALLED.

SO AGAIN, THIS ONE'S A PRIORITY ONE.

AND THAT IS BASED ON THE FACT THAT IT WAS INSTALLED IN 2001, PER OUR ESTIMATES.

AND THEY HAVE A 20 YEAR LIFE EXPECTANCY.

SO THEREFORE IT'S PAST ITS IT'S LIFE, USEFUL LIFE BASICALLY.

AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THAT LISTED AS LIKE A PRIORITY ONE.

BUT WE DID GO THROUGH AND CHECK THOSE ITEMS AS WELL.

SO THEY SHOULD ALL I BELIEVE THOSE ALL SHOULD BE IN THERE.

AND DO WE CLEAN THOSE ANNUALLY OR FREQUENTLY.

AND COULD THAT EXTEND THE POTENTIAL LIFE CYCLE, I MEAN, WITH PROPER MAINTENANCE.

THREE TIMES A YEAR.

GREAT. SO SOMEBODY KNOWS WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE ON THE INSIDE, RIGHT? NOT US, BUT SOMEONE DOES.

I MEAN, I WOULDN'T WANT TO DO THAT, BUT YEAH, IT'S ALL GOOD.

LOOKING FOR VOLUNTEERS TO DO THAT CLEANING.

YES. DIRTY JOBS.

THAT'S GREAT. AND I REALLY DO APPRECIATE TOO ALSO IN YELLOW WHAT IS OUT OF COMPLIANCE.

AND I WOULD THINK MR. JOHNSON THOSE GO AND MR. MAZAC TO THE TOP OF OUR LIST TO GET GET DONE OKAY.

TRUSTEE MR. YEAGER. JUST ONE OTHER QUESTION, REALLY, FOR MR. JOHNSON. I KNOW THAT YOU GUYS SHARED WITH US RECENTLY AFTER THE SECURITY AUDIT THAT THERE'S I THINK IT'S CONSIDERED A GRANT THAT WE'VE APPLIED FOR.

IT'S A MORE SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF FUNDS THAN JUST $15,000.

IT'S IN THE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS.

I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE BEEN APPROVED FOR THAT YET, BUT IF OR WHEN IT IS APPROVED, IS IT COMPLETELY SPENT ON THINGS THAT CAME OUT OF THE SECURITY AUDIT, OR WOULD ANY OF THOSE FUNDS BE AVAILABLE TO MAYBE ADDRESS SOME OF THE THINGS ON HERE THAT ARE ALSO SAFETY AND SECURITY RELATED? SO I CAN SPEAK TO THAT SOMEWHAT.

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IT'S CAUSING SOME ISSUES ON KEEPING THOSE DOORS CLOSED.

SO I KNOW WE'RE WORKING ON SO THERE'S, WE GOT A DECENT AMOUNT OF GRANT MONEY, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S GOING TO BE ENOUGH LEFT OVER TO HELP WITH SOME OF THESE AREAS, BUT OBVIOUSLY, ANYTHING THAT SAFETY AND SECURITY WE CAN ALLOCATE AS WE NEED.

THANK YOU. IF THERE AREN'T FURTHER QUESTIONS, WE THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. THEANDER. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

YEAH. THANK YOU ERIC, I JUST WANT TO CLOSE REAL QUICK AND THANK THANK KEITH AND ERIC FOR FOR THAT ASSESSMENT.

THEY PUT A LOT OF WORK AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING TOGETHER TO MAKE IT AS ACCURATE AS POSSIBLE.

JUST TO WRAP THIS UP, OVER THE PAST SEVEN MONTHS, WE'VE ADOPTED A NEW COMPUTERIZED MAINTENANCE MANAGEMENT SYSTEM KNOWN AS FMX.

SO WE ARE CURRENTLY ENTERING INTO OUR FACILITY ASSESSMENT THE LIFE CYCLE COST INTO THAT SYSTEM.

AND I TELL MY GUYS AT WORK THAT, YOU KNOW, IF THIS IS DONE RIGHT IN A YEAR FROM NOW, JUST ABOUT ANYBODY CAN PLUG INTO THAT AND RUN MAINTENANCE.

NOT THAT I'M LOOKING FOR ANYTHING ELSE.

SO FAR WE'VE WE'VE CATEGORIZED OVER 1,700 ASSETS, SPECIFICALLY FROM CHILD NUTRITION AND OUR HIGH LEVEL HVAC UNITS THAT WE PUT INTO THAT SYSTEM.

WE ARE TAGGING COSTS AND MAINTENANCE AND HOURS ON RIGHT NOW.

AND THESE LIFE CYCLE COSTS WILL BE INTEGRATED INTO OUR [INAUDIBLE] SYSTEM FOR TRACKING ASSETS, MONITORING CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS, COSTS AND POTENTIAL SAVINGS.

SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? MR. MAZAC IS IT IN AND, MR. JOHNSON, IN OUR FUTURE MEETINGS THAT THERE WILL BE A REQUEST FOR THESE PRIORITY, ESPECIALLY AS OUR TRUSTEES HERE TALKED ABOUT THE SAFETY NEEDS, THAT THERE WILL BE A REQUEST OF THE BOARD TO FUND THOSE? OH, ABSOLUTELY. AS NEEDED.

AND I THINK I THINK WHAT WHAT BOTH OF THESE GENTLEMEN HAD SAID, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GOING WITH THE STANDARD LIFE.

RIGHT. AND SO THAT'S THE STARTING POINT.

THAT'S THE INDUSTRY STANDARD AND WHAT MR. MAZAC WILL DO IS HE'LL LOOK AT A MORE GRANULAR, A MUCH MORE DETAILED LEVEL TO ASSESS.

I ALWAYS KIND OF GO BACK TO A CAR.

YOU NEED TO REPLACE A CAR AT 200,000 MILES WELL, MAYBE YOU DO, MAYBE YOU DON'T.

AND SO YOU MONITOR AND MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS AS IT NEEDS TO BE.

AND AT SOME POINT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO THAT.

IT'S JUST KIND OF HARD TO GAUGE THE EXACT TIMING OF THAT, BUT ABSOLUTELY.

AND THIS IS PERFECT BECAUSE HE'S PUTTING IT INTO HIS COMPUTERIZED SYSTEM SO THAT HE CAN PULL REPORTS AND CHECK THESE THINGS IN A DETAILED FASHION AS THEY NEED TO BE CHECKED, AND AS THEY DO COME TO TO THE POINT THAT THAT WE DO NEED TO ADDRESS THOSE, THEN THEN WE'LL DEFINITELY COME TO YOU, MOST LIKELY WITH A BUDGET AMENDMENT AS IT BECOMES NECESSARY. GREAT AGAIN THANK YOU.

I DON'T THINK YOU CAN GET DOWN TO GREASE TRAPS IN SPECIFIC KITCHEN CAMPUS.

MORE SPECIFICITY.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. NEXT UP IN OUR INFORMATION ONLY IS 6.3, ITEM 6.3, WHICH IS A BUDGET WORKSHOP, AND THAT WOULD BE MR. JOHNSON.

THANK YOU TRUSTEE YEAGER.

SO TONIGHT WE'RE GOING TO GIVE A LITTLE UPDATE ON SEVERAL ITEMS ON THE BUDGET.

AND I THINK WE'LL WE'LL START WITH SOME ADDITIONAL STAFFING REQUEST WITH DR.

SMALSKAS. AND WITH THAT SAID SO IT IS ROUTINE FOR US TO COME TO THE BOARD WHEN WE HAVE TO REQUEST ANY ADDITIONAL STAFFING POSITION AS A PART OF THE BUDGETING PROCESS FOLLOWING OUR BOARD POLICY.

SO I JUST WANT TO REMIND THE BOARD, WITH THE APPROVAL OF THE PRE-K TUITION THAT WE DID EARLIER IN THE YEAR, DID INCLUDE THESE ADDITIONAL STAFF THAT WILL BE ADDED TO THE PRE-K, PRE-K PROGRAM THAT WAS CALCULATED INTO THAT TUITION RATE.

I WILL, HOWEVER, BRING BACK LATER TONIGHT DURING DISCUSSION ACTION.

I DO NEED TO REQUEST AND APPROVE AN ADDITIONAL MIDDLE SCHOOL PRINCIPAL.

CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW WE DO HAVE ONE AT EACH CAMPUS AND THEN WE HAVE ONE THAT IS HALF TIME GOING BETWEEN TWO CAMPUSES, AND WE ARE REQUESTING THAT WE TURN BOTH CAMPUSES TO HAVE TWO FULL TIME APS, AND THEREFORE WE ARE REQUESTING ONE FULL TIME POSITION TO BE ADDED BACK TO THE MIDDLE SCHOOL.

THAT WAY, BOTH MIDDLE SCHOOL CAMPUSES WILL NOW HAVE TWO FULL TIME APS.

IN ADDITION, WE ARE REQUESTING FOR THE PRE-K SPECIALIST ESL POSITION.

THIS POSITION WAS ALSO INCLUDED INTO THE TUITION CALCULATION.

HOWEVER, BECAUSE IT'S A NEW POSITION THAT WE'RE ADDING TO OUR STAFFING, I DO NEED TO COME BACK DURING DISCUSSION ACTION TO APPROVE THESE TWO POSITIONS LATER THIS EVENING.

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AND I'M GOING TO TURN THIS NOW OVER TO MR. JOHNSON AGAIN. DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THOSE? I DO. HOW LONG HAVE WE BEEN OPERATING WITH ONE ASSISTANT PRINCIPAL? IS IT JUST THIS SCHOOL YEAR OR HAS THAT? IT IT IT IS, IT HAS BEEN.

AND WHAT WHAT ARE SOME OF THE SHORTFALLS? I THINK BETWEEN THE NUMBER OF ARDS, THE 504 MEETINGS THAT OUR ADMINISTRATORS ARE EXPECTED TO BE AT, IT'S JUST WE JUST NEED THE EXTRA MANPOWER. SO WE'VE NEVER SHARED BEFORE UNTIL THIS YEAR.

WE TRIED IT AND THEN IT DIDN'T WORK.

YES. OKAY.

THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU.

IT'S NOT IDEAL FOR SURE.

THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

THANK YOU. I'M NOT SURE IF I HAVE A DIFFERENT QUESTION THAN THAT, BUT I WAS HERE TWO YEARS AGO WHEN WE TRIMMED BACK AS PART OF THE COST SAVING.

AND I SUPPOSE LIKE ANY COST SAVINGS, TRIMMING THAT WE TAKE SOME RISK AND WE HAVE SOME GAPS.

AND SO WHAT I HEAR YOU SAYING, DR.

SMALSKAS, IS AFTER A YEAR OF TRYING IT WITH ONLY ONE ASSISTANT PRINCIPAL, WE'RE FALLING BEHIND.

AND WE NEED TO ADD THOSE ROLES BACK.

NOW, I KNOW THAT IN THE LAST FEW WEEKS WE'VE ALSO HAD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT TAKING ADVANTAGE OF SOME ATTRITION, BUT THESE ARE ADDITIONS TO THE BUDGET AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW, EVEN AFTER THE COST CHANGES THAT WE'VE HAD IN THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS, KEEPING IN MIND THAT THE PRE-K SPECIALIST IS ALREADY ENCOMPASSED IN THE TOTAL TUITION AMOUNT THAT WE HAVE BUDGETED FOR THROUGH THE TUITION, SO THAT THAT SHOULD BE A NET.

IT WOULD BE JUST THE ASSISTANT PRINCIPAL AND YOU ARE ACCURATE ABOUT WE DID TRY IT FOR A YEAR.

WE'VE GOT AN INCREASE IN NUMBER OF STUDENTS THAT ARE BEING TESTED IN SPECIAL EDUCATION.

SO OUR NUMBERS OF OF ARD MEETINGS HAVE GONE UP WITH OUR WITH OUR ADMINISTRATORS, AND THEY HAVE TO BE PRESENT AT THOSE MEETINGS.

AND WITH REGARD TO THE PRE-K SPECIALIST, JUST SO I'M CLEAR, I KNOW THAT WE RAISED THE TUITION FOR PRE-K TO PAY FOR ALL THE STAFF THAT WE HAD ALREADY PLANNED FOR.

THIS PRE-K POSITION IS WILL IT BE COVERED BY THE ADDITIONAL TUITION OR IS IT SEPARATE? IT WILL BE COVERED. OKAY.

IT WAS ALL ENCOMPASSED IN THAT.

THANK YOU. YEP.

I KNOW IN OUR LAST MEETING OR MAYBE THE ONE BEFORE WE TALKED ABOUT THE PRE-K HAS A DIFFERENT STUDENT TO TEACHER RATIO.

CORRECT? IT WAS ONE THAT, FRANKLY, IN SORT OF A LISTENING TOUR TRUSTEE STACEY AND OTHERS HAD HEARD SO THAT THAT'S GOOD.

AND I'M JUST CURIOUS, THOUGH, ABOUT POTENTIAL GROWTH, BECAUSE NOW THAT WE'VE GOT A TUITION FIRM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE THIS IS NOT A MONEY LOSING DEPARTMENT. I LOOKED AT THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR GROWTH.

I MEAN, WE ALL GOT A HUGE OUTPOURING OF EMAILS FROM PEOPLE WHO SAID, I MOVED HERE FOR THIS PROGRAM.

WE CAN GROW THIS PROGRAM AND CAN WE NOT ADD IN ADDITIONAL STAFF AS NEEDED, AS LONG AS WE HAVE THE CLASSROOM SPACE.

RIGHT. I'VE GOT MY PRE-K TEAM BEHIND ME HERE.

OKAY. YES. DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THAT? YES. SO BASED ON CURRENT PRE-K APPLICATIONS, WE HAVE INCREASED CAPACITY FROM 15 CLASSROOMS. WE WILL HAVE 17 CLASSROOMS THIS YEAR THAT GIVES A BUFFER.

SO WE CAME AND REQUESTED 18 CLASSROOMS. SO, SO WE, WE HAVE GROWN, BUT WE HAVEN'T GROWN TO NEED THAT LAST SET OF TEACHING TEAMS YET.

OKAY. SO SORT OF WE'VE GOT ONE CLASSROOM AND THAT MIGHT BE I'M THINKING ABOUT THE THE STUDENT TEACHER RATIO IS ABOUT 17-18 TO 1.

IT DEPENDS ON IF IF IT'S A THREE YEAR OLD OR A FOUR YEAR OLD.

BUT THAT'S RIGHT. WE, WE, WE SPLIT IT IN THE MIDDLE AND SAY THE AVERAGE CLASS SIZE IS 18.

OKAY. SO WE'VE BASICALLY GOT ONE MORE CLASSROOM THAT WE COULD ACCOMMODATE AN ADDITIONAL MAYBE AROUND 18 OR SO STUDENTS.

OKAY. WHAT IF WE GET MORE? I MEAN, DO CAN WE TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT? SO CURRENTLY WE GET APPLICATIONS ALL THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.

THE CLASS SIZES ARE NOT GOING TO START AT CAPACITY.

SO THE FIRST THING WE WOULD DO WAS WAS BRING WOULD BRING THOSE CLASSROOMS UP TO CAPACITY, BECAUSE WE ALWAYS BUILD IN A BUFFER, BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE CERTAIN STUDENTS THAT WE ARE REQUIRED TO SERVE.

AND SO RATHER THAN CREATING 17 CLASSROOMS AT 18.

AND THEN NOT BEING ABLE TO SERVE A STUDENT WHO WERE REQUIRED TO SERVE AND HAVING TO CREATE A CLASSROOM FOR A STUDENT OR TWO, WE WE BUILD IN A LITTLE BIT OF A BUFFER SO THAT THAT'S OUR FIRST LINE OF DEFENSE, IS THAT WE'LL BRING THOSE CLASSROOMS TO THAT CAPACITY.

WE HAVE WAITING LISTS.

SO IF A, IF WE DON'T HAVE THE CAPACITY TO, TO LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GOING TO CREATE A CLASSROOM FOR A FEW KIDS.

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I APPRECIATE YOU BUILDING IN A BUFFER.

I DO HAVE ONE MORE PRE-K QUESTION IF I CAN BOARD.

AND THAT WAS JUST BECAUSE BEING OUT IN THE PUBLIC, I'VE GOTTEN SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT IT, SOME EXCITEMENT.

I WAS IN A DIFFERENT DISTRICT THE OTHER DAY, A NEIGHBORING DISTRICT, AND I WAS ASKED IS AM I ABLE TO COME TO THAT PROGRAM? AND I HAD AN ANSWER, BUT I WANTED TO KIND OF CONFIRM RIGHT NOW, THE RULES OF OF ENROLLMENT ARE FOR PEOPLE WHO LIVE WITHIN OUR CURRENT ISD.

THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY.

GOT IT. THANK YOU.

WHEN DOES THE APPLICATION END? SO THERE'S NO END TO THE APPLICATION.

LIKE I SAID, ENROLLMENT IS ONGOING SO ANYBODY CAN APPLY AT ANY GIVEN TIME.

IF THEY APPLY AND THEY MEET THE ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS, THEN ONCE WE WORK THROUGH THE PROCESS OF GETTING THEM TESTED, THEN THEY WOULD BEGIN SERVICES.

SO FOR SPECIAL EDUCATION STUDENT IT WOULD BE THE EVALUATION PERIOD.

AND THEN THE ARD COMMITTEE WOULD DETERMINE THOSE SERVICES.

AND FOR A STUDENT WHO'S ESL, THEY WOULD NEED TO BE TESTED TO ENSURE THAT THEY ARE ELIGIBLE AS A STUDENT.

AND THEN THEY WOULD BE PLACED.

AND FOR THE OTHER AREAS, THOSE ARE VERIFICATION.

SO IF YOU'RE MILITARY CONNECTED OR FOSTER CARE, THOSE SORT OF THINGS.

TO FOLLOW UP ON TRUSTEE YEAGER'S QUESTION, IS IT POSSIBLE FOR OTHER NONRESIDENT STUDENTS TO ATTEND? CURRENTLY, WE FOLLOW AS PRE-K STUDENTS FOLLOW THE SAME BOARD POLICY AS ALL OTHER STUDENTS, SO THE SAME.

WE HAVE WESTLAKE.

WE WOULD HAVE ALSO FIRST RESPONDERS.

I THINK ANOTHER QUESTION.

WHAT ABOUT EMPLOYEES OF THE CITY OR IS IT JUST FIRST RESPONDERS? CAN YOU HELP ME OUT? IT IS.

IT'S FIRST RESPONDERS AND EMPLOYEES OF THE DISTRICT.

EMPLOYEES OF THE DISTRICT.

CORRECT. OKAY.

GOT IT. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

CARROLL ISD HAS A UNIQUE TRANSPORTATION STRUCTURE IN THAT THERE ARE THEY TRANSPORT ALL STUDENTS, ALL STUDENTS HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE TRANSPORTED, WHETHER THEY LIVE ACROSS THE STREET OR WHETHER THEY LIVE ON THE OUTSKIRTS OF OF OF THE DISTRICT.

A LOT OF DISTRICTS HAVE WHAT THEY CALL A TWO MILE RADIUS.

AND SO THEY THE ONLY TRANSPORT STUDENTS OVER TWO MILES.

AND SO ANNUALLY, THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT HAS COME TO THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES TO TALK ABOUT THE CHARGES THAT THEY ASSESS TO MEET THE SOME OF THE FINANCIAL COMMITMENT THAT COMES WITH TRANSPORTING STUDENTS UNDER THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES.

AND SO I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO JIM BENNETT, WHO HAS DONE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF ANALYSIS AND HAS COME UP WITH SOME SOLUTIONS TO HELP MITIGATE OUR LOSS.

I'LL TURN IT OVER. GOOD EVENING.

LOOKING AT OUR CURRENT BUS PASS PRICING, THE INDIVIDUAL ANNUAL PASS IS $290 THAT WE DO HAVE A FAMILY PLAN. CURRENTLY, WE'VE ISSUED ABOUT 376 PASSES UNDER THE FAMILY PLAN.

THAT'S THE FAMILY PLAN IS ONE PRICE FOR ALL CARROLL ISD STUDENTS IN THE HOUSEHOLD.

IF YOU WILL LOOK AT THE CHART, YOU WILL SEE IT STARTS MAKING SENSE WITH YOUR THIRD RIDER.

THE WITH THE INDIVIDUAL ANNUAL PASS.

THE CURRENT DAILY ONE WAY TRIP COST ONE WAY BEING EITHER FROM SCHOOL TO HOME, HOME TO SCHOOL IS $0.84.

WE DO HAVE SOME UNPAID RIDERS UNDER OUR FREE AND REDUCED LUNCH PROGRAM, APPROXIMATELY 1% OF OUR RIDERS.

SO LOOKING AT WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO COVER OUR COSTS OF OUR GENERAL ED ROUTES, THE 37 GENERAL ED ROUTES, APPROXIMATELY A QUARTER MILLION MILES A YEAR, THE PRICE OF THE INDIVIDUAL ANNUAL PASS MORE THAN DOUBLES TO $585.

THIS WOULD MEAN YOUR DAILY ONE WAY TRIP COST IS $1.69, BUT THIS KEEPS EVERYTHING INTACT.

LIKE WE SAID, WE TRANSPORT ALL RIDERS.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO LIVE TWO MILES FROM YOUR ASSIGNED CAMPUS.

IT'S STILL.

AND THIS STILL HONORS THE FAMILY PLAN THAT WE HAVE HAD IN PAST YEARS.

MR. IF I COULD INTERRUPT YOU FOR JUST A MOMENT.

YES. I APPRECIATE ALL OF THIS GREAT INFORMATION.

CERTAINLY. THE THIRD BULLET POINT ON THIS SLIDE A MOMENT AGO, CURRENT DAILY ONE WAY TRIP COST TO RIDER $0.84.

YES, SIR. WHAT DO YOU HAVE HANDY WHAT'S THE COST TO THE DISTRICT? YES, SIR. WE WILL GET TO THAT IN A FUTURE SLIDE.

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SO SOME OF OUR CURRENT COST SAVING STRATEGIES WHEN IT COMES TO OUR FIELD TRIPS.

THAT'S BOTH IF THE KIDS GET ON THE BUS BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO THE MUSEUM, AND ALSO IF A MEMBER OF THE STAFF NEEDS TO USE ONE OF OUR SUBURBANS.

OUR PRICING STRUCTURE IN YEARS PAST HAS RECOUPED APPROXIMATELY 40%.

LAST YEAR WAS VERY TYPICAL.

IT COST US $341,000.

WE RECOUPED ABOUT $135,000 GOING FORWARD, STARTING WITH THE 24-25 SCHOOL YEAR, WE HAVE ADJUSTED OUR FIELD TRIP PRICING STRUCTURE IN ORDER TO BETTER RECOUP THOSE COSTS.

WHEN IT COMES TO OUR FUEL, IT'S A PRETTY BIG EXPENSE.

WE SAVE BOTH BY BUYING IN BULK.

WE BUY SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 8,100 AND 8,500 GALLONS EVERY TIME WE ORDER.

WE ARE COMPLETELY STATE TAX EXEMPT.

WE DO PAY SOME MINERAL FEDERAL TAXES DOESN'T AMOUNT TO MUCH SO THAT OUR AVERAGE PRICE PER GALLON SO FAR THIS SCHOOL YEAR, AND OF COURSE IT FLUCTUATES DAILY, IT'S $2.29. WHEREAS IN THE STATE OF TEXAS IN GENERAL, DURING THAT SAME TIME, DURING THAT SAME TIME PERIOD, IT WAS $3.04.

WHEN IT COMES TO DOING OUR REPAIRS AND MAINTENANCE, WE KEEP A VERY MINIMAL INVENTORY ON THE SHELF.

IN FACT, OUR LARGE TICKET ITEMS WE DON'T KEEP ON THE SHELF AT ALL.

WE'RE A SMALL ENOUGH OPERATION, AND OUR FLEET IS SMALL ENOUGH THAT IF WE NEED A LARGE TICKET ITEM, WE JUST GO AND WE LITERALLY JUST GO AND BUY IT RIGHT THEN.

WE'VE ALSO IN THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS, IF WE NEED THOSE LARGE TICKET ITEMS, WE'VE S TARTED SEEKING OUT COMPETITIVE BIDS.

FOR YEARS AND YEARS.

WE HAD OUR GO TO VENDOR IF WE NEEDED FUEL OR IF WE NEEDED TIRES.

BUT THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS WE HAVE GONE WITH COMPETITIVE BIDS.

JUST MAKE THEM COMPETE WITH ONE ANOTHER IN ORDER TO SAVE US MONEY.

MUCH LIKE THE FACILITIES DEPARTMENT, WE'VE GONE TO A COMPUTERIZED MAINTENANCE MANAGEMENT SYSTEM.

AND THAT HELPS US KNOW WHEN YOU'VE GOT THAT ONE BUS OR THAT ONE SUBURBAN THAT IS JUST A FINANCIAL BLACK HOLE.

YOU KNOW, YOU'VE YOU YOU MAY NOT REALIZE IN YOUR DAY TO DAY OPERATIONS THAT YOU'VE REPLACED THE ALTERNATOR SIX TIMES IN THE PAST TWO YEARS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

BUT IF YOU WITH THE CMS, YOU'RE ABLE TO PULL A REPORT AND KNOW WHERE YOUR MONEY IS GOING.

IF WE GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO REDUCE OUR FLEET SIZE, WE WILL HAVE DATA THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO BASE THOSE DECISIONS ON.

SOMETHING WE WILL BE DOING IN THE FUTURE IS WE ARE LOOKING INTO A FLEET MANAGEMENT SERVICE, AND WE'RE GOING TO SEE IF THAT MAKES SENSE FOR A DISTRICT OUR SIZE AND WITH OUR NEEDS. SO BUS PASSES HISTORICALLY, IF YOU WILL LOOK AT THIS, THE LARGEST INCREASE WE'VE EVER DONE IN A SINGLE YEAR IS 20% OVER THE PREVIOUS YEAR.

YOU CAN SEE THE SALES HAVE REMAINED PRETTY STEADY DURING THAT TIME.

AND TRUSTEE YEAGER, YOUR QUESTION ON THIS SLIDE.

SO IF YOU WILL LOOK AT EVERY TIME THE DISTRICT MAKES A TRIP.

ON AVERAGE, WITH THE AVERAGE NUMBER OF RIDERS, YOU'RE LOOKING AT $2.29, AND THIS CHART BREAKS DOWN OF THAT $2.29, WHAT IS BEING COVERED BY THE COST OF THE BUS PASS AND WHAT IS BEING ABSORBED BY THE DISTRICT.

THE CURRENT PRICE, AS I SAID, IS THE $290 FOR THE INDIVIDUAL PASS.

AND YES, THE $595 PRICE POINT WOULD COVER THE COST OF OUR GENERAL OF OUR GENERAL EDUCATION ROUTES.

THAT WOULD BE A SUBSTANTIAL PRICE INCREASE, WHEREAS THE RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE STAY WITH THE 20% PRICE INCREASE, WHICH HISTORICALLY WE'VE SEEN IS THE LARGEST WE'VE EVER INCREASED IN A YEAR.

THE THOUGHT BEING THAT IF YOU RAISE THE PRICE THAT SUBSTANTIALLY, YOU MAY GET FEWER SALES.

AND THIS ENTIRE MODEL IS BASED ON THE SAME NUMBER OF SALES, SAME NUMBER OF RIDERS, SO ON AND SO FORTH.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? MR. BENNETT, I BELIEVE YOU'VE BEEN HERE, WHAT, A YEAR OR SO? I GOT HERE IN AUGUST, SIR. YEAH.

SO YOU'VE GOT SOME EXPERIENCE WITH OTHER ISDS IN TERMS OF TRANSPORTATION? THIS IS MY FIRST TIME IN THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT.

I WAS A CAMPUS ADMINISTRATOR FOR NINE YEARS BEFORE THIS.

OKAY, SO EITHER YOURSELF OR MR. JOHNSON, IS THERE A BEST PRACTICE OR I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF I WANT TO SAY BEST, BUT SORT OF COMMON COMMONALITY OF

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AND YOU STARTED YOUR CONVERSATION A MOMENT AGO OR THIS PRESENTATION, MR. JOHNSON, BY SAYING REDUCE OUR EXPENSES, NOT MAKE IT SOMETHING THAT IS COMPLETELY SELF-SUSTAINING.

RIGHT. AND SO YOU KNOW, STATE FUNDING, THERE IS A STATE FUNDING ELEMENT THAT THAT COMES THROUGH TRANSPORTATION.

IT IS IT IS SO MUCH LOWER THAN I THINK WE'D GET ABOUT $225,000.

IT'S IT'S MINUSCULE.

AND SO CARROLL OPTED YEARS AGO TO CHARGE.

AND SO TO COMPARE US WITH OTHERS, I'D HAVE TO FIND SOMEBODY WHO OPERATES SIMILARLY AS WE DO.

WE GET, YOU KNOW, SOMEWHERE BETWEEN, I GUESS, 3 TO 4 TIMES WHAT THE STATE WOULD HAVE OTHERWISE FUNDED, MEANING THAT MOST DISTRICTS OPERATE AT A LOSS IN THEIR TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT. IT'S JUST A PART OF IT.

I THINK WHAT THIS DISTRICT HAS CHOSEN TO DO IS EXPAND IS EXPAND AND SERVE ALL THE STUDENTS.

AND THEY DO THAT FOR A COST.

ALTHOUGH WHAT WE DO CHARGE, WHAT THIS DISTRICT IS CHARGED HAS NOT BEEN SUFFICIENT TO COVER THE COST.

BUT AGAIN, I DON'T THINK THAT'S UNIQUE.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S UNIQUE.

COULD THIS BE ONE OF THOSE LINE ITEMS, AS WE'VE DISCUSSED ABOUT UNDERFUNDED MANDATES, WHERE WE HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE GROUPS OF STUDENTS THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE PROVIDE TRANSPORTATION FOR.

BUT IN TODAY'S EXPENSES, WHETHER THAT'S GASOLINE, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING THAT GOES INTO THAT EXPENSE FORMULA WAGES, ETC.

EQUIPMENT, AS YOU SAID, WE DON'T THEY DON'T COME CLOSE IN TERMS OF FUNDING WHAT IT IS TO TRANSPORT A STUDENT SAFELY, ONE OF ONE OF THE MANY SHORTFALLS OF OF US OPERATING.

YES, SIR. AND AGAIN, WE GET SUBSTANTIALLY MORE BY THE COST STRUCTURE THAT WE DO, BUT IT'S STILL NOT ENOUGH TO TO RECOUP OUR COSTS.

THANK YOU. TRUSTEES OTHER QUESTIONS? YEAH. MR. JOHNSON OR MR. BENNETT. SO A COUPLE OF THINGS, I GUESS I'M, I THINK I HEARD YOU MENTIONED FLEET MANAGEMENT SYSTEM IN THE CONTEXT OF WHAT I WOULD CALL OUTSOURCING.

SO I KNOW THAT OTHER SCHOOL DISTRICTS AND FRANKLY, COMPANIES THAT NEED TO LOOK AT ALTERNATIVES CONSIDER OUTSOURCING TO ANOTHER PROVIDER THAT SPECIALIZES IN THAT KIND OF THING.

FIRST OF ALL, HAVE WE EVER ACTUALLY LOOKED AT THAT? WE'VE NOT I'VE DISCUSSED IT WITH WITH NEIGHBORING DISTRICTS THAT ARE MOST RECENTLY, NORTHWEST ISD PULLED THEIR THEIR OUTSOURCED TRANSPORTATION BACK IN-HOUSE.

AND I TALKED TO THEIR CFO AT SOME LENGTH AND HE SAID, YOU KNOW, REALLY THERE WERE THERE WERE FINANCIAL SAVINGS BY BRINGING IT BACK IN THE THE BENEFIT THAT HE HE SPOKE OF REGARDING THE OUTSOURCING WAS THAT IT ELIMINATED SOME HEADACHES BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PERSONNEL THAT YOU'VE GOT TO TAKE CARE OF IN THAT.

BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THAT MR. BENNETT COULD CERTAINLY LOOK INTO.

CERTAINLY. I MEAN, IT'S IT'S WORTH JUST KNOWING IF IT WOULD BE A COST SAVINGS OR NOT.

AND OF COURSE, I THINK WE COULD LEARN FROM OTHER DISTRICTS IF NORTHWEST ISD OUTSOURCED IT AND THEN DECIDED THEY MADE A MISTAKE AND BROUGHT IT BACK IN, WELL, LIKE, WHY DID THEY LIKE, WHY DID THEY FEEL LIKE THEY MADE A MISTAKE? AND I HAVE TALKED TO A FEW DISTRICTS AND NONE OF THOSE GUYS THAT I'VE SPOKEN TO HAVE SAID THAT THIS WAS SAVING MONEY BY OUTSOURCING IT.

BUT BUT CERTAINLY IT'S IT'S CERTAINLY WORTH A DEEPER DIVE.

AND MR. BENNETT CAN CERTAINLY LOOK INTO THAT.

SO THE OTHER THING THAT I THINK I HEARD YOU SAY WHEN WE STARTED OUT, AND I THINK I'VE HEARD BEFORE, AND I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM DO WE CURRENTLY TRANSPORT STUDENTS THAT DO LIVE WITHIN A TWO MILE RADIUS OF WHATEVER SCHOOL THEY'RE ASSIGNED? YES, SIR. WE DO.

AND YOU WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT A PASS? YES. AND SO ONE IDEA IS IF WE WERE TO TRIM BACK, THE SERVICES THAT WE PROVIDE WOULD BE TO NOT PROVIDE BUSSING WITHIN A CERTAIN RADIUS, SAY, A MILE OR TWO MILES OR THEORETICALLY A DISTANCE, THAT IS A WALKABLE DISTANCE.

AND IT MAY BE IT MAY.

WOULD IT VARY ACCORDING TO THE AGE OF THE STUDENTS? YOU KNOW, KINDERGARTNERS MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO WALK A MILE, BUT, YOU KNOW, NINTH GRADERS CAN PROBABLY WALK A MILE OR TWO.

DOES IT VARY IF WE WERE TO SET SOME RULES WITHIN WHICH WE DON'T PROVIDE TRANSPORTATION SO WE CAN TRIM BACK THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE'RE LOSING ON PROVIDING TRANSPORTATION? SO I RAN A MODEL ONE MILE FROM THE CAMPUS OF RECORD AND TWO MILES FROM THE CAMPUS OF RECORD.

WHAT I FOUND WAS THAT OUR DISTRICT BEING LANDLOCKED AND ONLY, LIKE, FIVE MILES BY FIVE MILES, YOU ARE U

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OKAY, I UNDERSTAND.

SO I GUESS THE OTHER KIND OF QUESTION I HAVE, I SUSPECT WE COULD RAISE FEES.

AND FRANKLY, WHENEVER WE TALK ABOUT LUNCHES OR TRANSPORTATION OR ONE OF 50 OTHER TOPICS WE ALL KNOW COSTS ARE GOING UP AND I THINK PEOPLE EXPECT IT. NOBODY LIKES IT, NOBODY WANTS IT.

NOW THE COST INCREASES THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, THE PRETTY DRAMATIC.

IF YOU'RE DOUBLING, WE'RE NOT JUST GOING UP 10 OR 20 OR 30%.

WE'RE LITERALLY TALKING ABOUT DOUBLING IT.

AND EVEN IF WE DOUBLED IT, ARE WE SAYING.

AND JUST SO I'M CLEAR, THAT WE COULD YOU LOOKED AT HOW MUCH YOU WOULD HAVE TO INCREASE TO NOT LOSE ANYTHING.

AND THEN I GUESS THERE'S VARIATIONS FROM THAT POINT, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT SIR. YES.

I'M CURIOUS AND IT SEEMS LIKE TO ME, BEFORE WE TOOK ANY KIND OF DRAMATIC STEP, LIKE DOUBLING THE COST THAT WE WOULD WANT TO, I DON'T KNOW, DO SOME KIND OF ANALYSIS OR SOME SURVEY WORK WITH OUR COMMUNITY AND OUR PARENTS THAT ARE PAYING THESE FEES TO HAVE AN IDEA OF IF IT WERE TO DOUBLE, WOULD YOU STOP USING THE SERVICE IF IT WERE TO INCREASE BY 30 OR 40 OR 50%, WOULD YOU CONTINUE TO USE THE SERVICE? I MEAN, IT SEEMS PRETTY DRAMATIC TO ME TO JUST STOP PROVIDING THE SERVICE.

AND I GUESS YOU'VE ALREADY SAID THAT FOR CERTAIN STUDENTS.

I THINK THERE IS A LEGAL REQUIREMENT TO PROVIDE TRANSPORTATION OR MAYBE NOT.

CAN YOU TELL ME? I DON'T BELIEVE THERE IS A LEGAL REQUIREMENT.

IF YOU OFFER TRANSPORTATION, YOU HAVE TO OFFER IT.

THERE ARE SOME SPECIFICS.

IF YOU'RE OVER TWO MILES, THERE ARE DANGEROUS CROSSINGS.

THERE'S VARIOUS PROVISIONS.

IF YOU OFFER IT, YOU HAVE TO OFFER IT UNDER THESE CIRCUMSTANCES.

YOU WANT TO ELABORATE? YEAH.

NO. THAT'S FOR OUR GENERAL EDUCATION STUDENTS IF YOU ARE OFFERING THE SERVICE, THEN LIKE YOU SAID, THERE'S THE TEXAS EDUCATION CODE PROVIDES FOR CERTAIN HAZARDS THAT EVEN IF YOU'RE WITHIN THE TWO MILE RADIUS, BUT YOU WOULD HAVE TO CROSS A HIGHWAY, SO ON AND SO FORTH.

SO THERE'S THOSE SCENARIOS AS WELL.

ARE THERE ANY DISTRICTS EITHER IN OUR GENERAL VICINITY OR THAT WE CONSIDER COMPARING OURSELVES AGAINST IN OTHER CITIES IN TEXAS WHO DO NOT OFFER ANY TRANSPORTATION SERVICES AT ALL? I DON'T KNOW.

THERE ARE SO FEW DISTRICTS, PERIOD, THAT GO WITH THE PAY TO RIDE MODEL.

I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE A A CROSS SECTION THAT WE COULD COMPARE OURSELVES TO OR GET AN AVERAGE FROM. OKAY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. VERY THOROUGH REPORT.

AND I WOULD I GUESS BOTTOM LINE, WANT TO HAVE SOME MORE FEEDBACK FROM OUR COMMUNITY ABOUT HOW MUCH THEY COULD BEAR IF WE WERE TO INCREASE COST.

THANK YOU. MR. LANE, I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR.

AND, MR. BENNETT, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT IT DOESN'T SPECIFICALLY SAY ON THERE, BUT THE HIGHLIGHTED INCREASE IS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING.

SO GOING FROM GOING FROM $290 HE JUST HE JUST WANTED TO SHOW THE ANALYSIS ALL THE WAY DOWN TO WHERE WE COULD RECOVER OUR COSTS, NOT INCLUDING OUR SPECIAL ED ROUTES WOULD BE THE $585.

SO WE'RE WE'RE RECOMMENDING THE 20% INCREASE, WHICH WE HAVE DONE IN THE PAST AND DID NOT LOSE SUBSTANTIAL RIDERS BECAUSE OF THAT.

THAT'S CORRECT. YES.

THANK YOU. ONE OF THE THINGS TOO, AND MR. BENNETT, I KNOW IT'S NOT PART OF THIS PRESENTATION, BUT YOU'RE THE TYPE OF PERSON WHO STRIKES ME THAT YOU'VE DONE A LOT OF ANALYSIS, AND THAT IS EVERY TIME WE HAVE A STUDENT THAT OPTS FOR AN ALTERNATIVE TO THE BUS, I MEAN, THE BUS, EVEN THOUGH RIGHT NOW IT IS HEAVILY SUBSIDIZED AND IT IS A IS A LOSS FOR US. YES, SIR. BUT WE THINK ABOUT THE CAR LINES, RIGHT? BECAUSE THAT STUDENT WILL EITHER HAVE TO GO TO A CAR LINE, WHICH THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN GOES FROM 10 MINUTES TO 15 MINUTES.

AND THAT'S TAKING PARENTS TIME.

AND I KNOW 15 MINUTES IS LIKE, NO, NO LINE AT ALL, RIGHT? I MEAN, THEY'RE MUCH LONGER THAN THAT.

AND ALSO THE WAY OUR TOWN IS BUILT, WE DO HAVE SOME AREAS THAT ARE CROSSING OVER VERY BUSY ROADS.

WE HAVE SOME AREAS THAT DON'T EVEN HAVE SIDEWALKS.

RIGHT? SO, I MEAN, I THINK, I THINK THERE'S A LOT THAT WE'D HAVE TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT.

AND AGAIN, YOU MAY EVEN HAVE DONE, MR. BENNETT SOME ANALYSIS ABOUT CAR TIMES.

YES, SIR. LENGTH OF THE CAR WAIT LINE.

SO AT THE ONE MILE RADIUS, YOUR AVERAGE INCREASE.

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BUT THE WORST CASE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT A AVERAGE OF 7.5 MINUTE INCREASE IN THE CAR LINE PER CAMPUS. AT THE TWO MILE RADIUS, YOU'RE LOOKING AT AN AVERAGE OF 9.5 SOME CAMPUSES, AS MUCH AS 20 MINUTES, 25 MINUTES.

THE THERE'S WAYS TO AMELIORATE THAT INCREASE IN TRAFFIC, BUT THEY ALL INVOLVE LIKE EXTRA DUTY PAY OR EXTRA DUTY STATIONS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

IT'S IT'S JUST GOING TO ADD TO YOUR COSTS IN ADDITION TO SOMEONE STILL HAS TO GET THE STUDENT TO SCHOOL AND JUST THE GENERAL INCREASE IN THE GENERAL HEADACHE. THANK YOU FOR LOOKING AT THAT.

MR. BENNETT I DID THINK OF ONE OTHER THING THAT I FORGOT TO ASK YOU.

YES. SHOULD WE ASSUME THAT UTILIZATION, YOU KNOW, THE NUMBER OF STUDENTS THAT ARE ON EACH BUS IS IS MAXIMIZED OR, YOU KNOW, IF HALF OUR BUS IF ALL OUR BUSSES ARE HALF FULL, THEN COULD WE TRIM BACK WITHOUT ANY IMPACT, HAVE FEWER BUSSES AND FEWER DRIVERS? I MEAN, SO I HAVE LOOKED INTO THAT AND YOU RUN INTO A LOGISTICS ISSUE.

THE BEST EXAMPLE I CAN THINK OF WOULD BE GOING FROM THE OUR PRIMARY ROUTES THERE'S 27 GENERAL EDUCATION ROUTES THAT LEAVE THE TRANSPORTATION OFFICE.

THEY GO AND PICK UP OUR ELEMENTARY STUDENTS, AND THEY DROP OFF, AND THEN THEY GO AND PICK UP OUR INTERMEDIATE MIDDLE STUDENTS AND THEY DROP OFF.

SO YOU HAVE A FINITE AMOUNT OF TIME BETWEEN SCHOOL STARTING AND SCHOOL STARTING.

SO DO WE PACK EVERY BUS, UTILIZE FOR MAXIMUM EFFICIENCY.

THAT'S GOING TO VARY WILDLY DEPENDING ON WHO BOUGHT A PASS WHERE.

AND ALSO YOU'RE GOING TO SEE, OF COURSE, AT THE ELEMENTARY LEVELS, A LOT MORE FOLKS USE THEIR PASS THAN AT THE HIGH SCHOOL LEVEL.

YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THEM GET A RIDE TO SCHOOL, A LOT OF THEM HAVE AFTER SCHOOL ACTIVITIES, SO ON AND SO FORTH.

AND THAT'S NOT BINARY.

THAT'S A SPECTRUM.

START AT THE ELEMENTARY, WHERE THE ROUTES ARE MORE FULL AND THEN INTERMEDIATE, A LITTLE LESS MIDDLE IS A LITTLE LESS, AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.

THE PROBLEM WITH REROUTING IN ORDER TO MAKE THE MAXIMUM EFFICIENCY IS YOU WOULD THEN HAVE TO GET IT.

YOU CAN'T RUN THAT ROUTE AND THEN GET THE KIDS TO SCHOOL ON TIME AND RUN THE NEXT LEG OF THE ROUTE.

AND THE OTHER THING IS AND I LIKE WHERE YOU'RE GOING.

TRUSTEE LANNEN. BUT THEN WE START THINKING ABOUT THE AGE OF KIDS ON THE BUS.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, ELEMENTARY KIDS, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW, YOU REALLY WANT TO MIX IN AN EIGHTH GRADER ON AN ELEMENTARY KID BUS? NOTHING WRONG WITH EIGHTH GRADERS.

IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW THE DYNAMIC.

YES, SIR. THE DYNAMIC DEFINITELY CHANGE.

YEAH. THANK YOU. YEAH.

MR. BENNETT, I APPRECIATE ALL OF THE ANALYSIS THAT YOU'VE DONE.

I KNOW IT'S BEEN HOURS AND HOURS AND HOURS OF DRIVING TO CAMPUS AND LOOKING AT CARPOOL LINES AND ALL THE THINGS, SO I APPRECIATE IT.

YES, MA'AM. ON THE ON THE BASICALLY DOUBLING THE BUS PASS.

IS THAT SOMETHING THAT AND MR. JOHNSON, YOU MAY BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO THAT TO THIS TOO.

ARE WE TRYING TO WORK OUR WAY TO THAT WORK OUR WAY TO THAT $585 THROUGH THE YEARS, OR IS IT, I MEAN, IS IT JUST SOMETHING THAT WE'RE ALWAYS GOING TO POSSIBLY HAVE A LOSS ON? I THINK IT DEPENDS.

I THINK THE CHALLENGE IS WE ALL KNOW WHERE WE ARE FINANCIALLY, AND SO WE'RE LOOKING AT EVERY AVENUE TO CLOSE THAT ECONOMIC GAP BETWEEN OUR REVENUE AND OUR EXPENDITURES.

SO AS TIME GOES ON AND AND I KNOW OUR FRIENDS IN AUSTIN ARE GOING TO GIVE US A BIG BUMP NEXT, NEXT LEGISLATIVE SESSION.

WE CAN PROBABLY PUT THIS TO BED.

JUST KIDDING. BUT BUT I THINK TO YOUR POINT, IN ALL SERIOUSNESS, I THINK WE'RE LOOKING AT EVERY OPTION TO MINIMIZE OUR COST AND TO CLOSE THAT FINANCIAL GAP.

SO IT'S JUST GOING TO DEPEND ON OUR FINANCIAL REALITY FROM YEAR TO YEAR TO YEAR.

AND AND JUST TAKING THAT 20% AND I KNOW IT SEEMS A LOT, BUT AGAIN, THANK YOU.

DR. LEDBETTER, THAT $60 FOR THE SCHOOL YEAR LESS THAN $10 A MONTH.

AND WE WOULD BE SAVING $180.

DID I GET THAT RIGHT, GUYS? $180,000. SO INCREMENTAL SAVINGS.

ABSOLUTELY. YOU SAID IT BEFORE, MR. JOHNSON. MANY TIMES. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ONE THING.

IT'S GOING TO BE SAVINGS FROM THIS, THIS, THIS, YOU KNOW, MANY, MANY AREAS.

YES. JUST A QUICK QUESTION.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU COVERED THE COST CATEGORIES.

IS THIS JUST A VARIABLE COST.

SO FUEL SALARIES OR.

SO HE HAS THIS.

SO HE HAS I GUESS I WOULD CHARACTERIZE SIX AREAS OF OPERATION.

SO THIS IS WHAT WE CALL ROUTE SERVICES.

SO THIS IS PICKING UP STUDENTS AND TAKING THEM HOME.

GENERAL ED AS DIFFERENTIATED FROM SPECIAL ED ROUTES AS DIFFERENTIATED FROM FIELD TRIPS ATHLETIC EVENTS AND RENTAL OF WHITE FLEET.

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HE'S MADE THIS HE'S MADE CHANGES TO IMPACT SOME OF THE OTHER AREAS THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED.

RIGHT. HE INCREASED THE CHARGE TO TO THE VARIOUS USERS.

SPECIAL ED SOMETHING THAT THAT [INAUDIBLE] STARTED BACK AT WE STARTED THIS ACTUALLY BACK IN THE SUMMER.

BUT WE'RE BILLING WE'RE GOING TO GO TO THE STATE FOR SPECIAL ED FUNDING.

WE'VE NEVER DONE THAT. AND SO THAT'S GOING TO BE ANOTHER INCREMENT.

WE'RE GOING TO HOPE THAT THAT'S ROUGHLY $50,000.

SO WE'VE SEGMENTED OUT ALL AREAS OF OPERATION.

AND THIS IS JUST IT'S AN ALLOCATED PIECE OF OVERHEAD.

AND IT'S THE ACTUAL FUEL.

IT'S ALL THOSE THINGS ALLOCATED TO THIS SEGMENT OF HIS OPERATIONS OF ROUTE SERVICES GENERALLY ROUTE SERVICES.

FANTASTIC ON THAT. SO I KNOW WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT GOING TO THE STATE WITH SPECIAL ED FUNDING, WE'RE LOOKING AT KIND OF THAT DEFICIT OF WHAT IT TAKES TO IT.

IS TRANSPORTATION INCLUDED IN THAT, OR IS THAT AN ADDITIONAL LOSS ON TOP OF THOSE NUMBERS? IT'S AN ADDITIONAL LOSS, OKAY.

IT'S AN ADDITIONAL LOSS.

AND SO THE DISCUSSION YOU AND I HAVE HAD IS IDENTIFIED BY A SEGMENT OF THE ACCOUNT CODE.

AND SO HIS IS NOT BLENDED INTO THAT.

SO I CAN CERTAINLY PUT THAT TOGETHER.

THANK YOU. AND I DIDN'T DO THAT IN ADDITION.

YES MA'AM. AND WE TALKED ABOUT GOING BACK TO SLIDE EIGHT.

IF I COULD TRUSTEES AND MR. JOHNSON HELP OF THE FINANCIAL WHEREWITHAL OF OUR DISTRICT.

AND WHEN YOU SEE A FIELD TRIP THAT IS MORE EXPENSIVE THIS NEXT YEAR, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE'RE LOSING ON THAT.

AND THE STRATEGY HERE THAT WE HAVE PUT FORTH, AT LEAST IN THIS SLIDE, AND THIS IS INFORMATION ONLY, IS TO ADJUST THAT NEXT YEAR TO RECOUP THE COST.

THAT'S OVER THAT'S $206,000 RIGHT THERE THAT WE COULD RECOUP JUST BY SAYING, I'M SORRY F IELD TRIPS ARE A LITTLE MORE EXPENSIVE.

AND YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT SUBSIDIZING THOSE.

AND THAT IS I LOVE FIELD TRIPS.

I MEAN, THAT'S A BIT OF A LUXURY VERSUS A EVERY DAY, YOU KNOW, NEED TO GET TO SCHOOL, WHICH, OF COURSE, WE WANT TO MAKE THAT SAFE AND AFFORDABLE.

BUT I JUST FEEL LIKE THAT'S SOMETHING THERE THAT OUR COMMUNITY COULD CERTAINLY HELP TO SAY.

WE UNDERSTAND THAT THAT COST MIGHT BE GOING UP.

SO, MR. YEAGER, ON THAT POINT, I'M I'M KIND OF CURIOUS.

YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY, I, I CAN UNDERSTAND A SUBSIDIZING THINGS THAT ARE, I GUESS, DIRECTLY RELATED TO CORE EDUCATION AND OBVIOUSLY FIELD TRIPS, ALTHOUGH IT MIGHT HAVE AN EDUCATION ELEMENT, YOU KNOW, IT IT IS ALSO A FUN ELEMENT TOO.

AND I'M CURIOUS IF WE DID NOT DO ANY IF WE DIDN'T HAVE BUSSES OR DRIVERS AVAILABLE TO DO FIELD TRIPS WHAT WOULD THE ALTERNATIVE BE? I MEAN, DO YOU CALL CAN YOU CALL ANOTHER DISTRICT? CAN YOU CALL A LOCAL BUS COMPANY? OR WHO WOULD WHO WOULD THEY GO TO? AND AND I GUESS REALLY ULTIMATELY I'M CURIOUS, HAVE WE LOOKED AT WHAT THE COST OF THAT IS? SO, YOU KNOW, THE MARKET SETS THE PRICE FOR THINGS THAT YOU NEED.

AND IF IT IS FIVE TIMES THE AMOUNT, THEN WE PROBABLY SHOULD INCREASE THE COST OF FUN STUFF.

IF IF THERE'S NO ALTERNATIVE, THEN I GUESS WE HAVE TO ASK, ARE WE EVEN GOING TO? IF WE WERE TO STOP OFFERING IT, THEN ARE WE SAYING WE'RE GOING TO STOP TAKING FIELD TRIPS? I MEAN, LIKE, DO WE KNOW WHAT THE ALTERNATIVE IS IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE IT? CERTAINLY. SO WHEN WE'VE LOOKED INTO CHARTERS WHICH THE DISTRICT DOES UTILIZE CHARTERS, ESPECIALLY ON THE LONGER TRIPS, THE ATHLETIC TRIPS, AND SOMETIMES JUST SOME OF WHAT YOU WOULD CALL THE FUN FIELD TRIPS.

IF THE STUDENTS ARE GOING TO BE ON BUSSES ON THE BUS FOR A WHILE, WE ARE EVEN AT THE NEW PROPOSAL, THE NEW PROPOSED PRICING GOING FORWARD, WE ARE THERE'S GOING TO BE A SUBSTANTIAL SAVINGS THERE.

WHAT YOU'RE DOING WITH A CHARTER IS YOU ARE THEY'RE MORE COMFORTABLE.

THEY MIGHT HAVE MORE STORAGE SPACE.

THEY ALMOST CERTAINLY HAVE MORE STORAGE SPACE.

THERE'S FACILITIES ON BOARD, SO YOU HAVE TO MAKE FEWER STOPS.

IT AGAIN, YOU'RE PAYING FOR A CONVENIENCE, BUT OUR BUSSES AND OUR FIELD TRIP PRICES THEY'RE A SUBSTANTIAL SAVINGS. MR. JOHNSON, YOU YOU SAID THAT ONE OF THE CATEGORIES THAT YOU WERE LOOKING INTO WAS, WERE WERE OUR WHITE FLEETS.

AND SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY ON SLIDE NINE WHEN IT SAID FOR FURTHER STUDY, INVESTIGATE A FLEET MANAGEMENT SERVICE, THAT'S ACTUALLY WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, BECAUSE I KNOW WE I KNOW WE PURCHASE OUR WHITE FLEET.

SO THAT WAS ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT LOOKING AT MAYBE A LEASE COMPANY, A COMPANY THAT WE CAN LEASE WHITE FLEET FROM VERSUS OWNING OUR OWN.

CORRECT, CORRECT. OKAY. WE WILL WE WILL LOOK AT THAT PRICE.

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MR. JOHNSON, WHAT WHAT I AM EXCITED ABOUT A REASONABLE AMOUNT, AND I KNOW THIS IS THIS IS FOR INFORMATION ONLY, BUT A REASONABLE AMOUNT.

WE CAN GET THAT DAILY EXPENSE OR LOSE LESS.

AND THEN THE FIELD TRIPS I MEAN, I WAS JUST DOING SOME QUICK MATH HERE, AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THREE, $300 PLUS THOUSAND DOLLARS RIGHT THERE.

SO I LIKE I LIKE THAT MATH.

SO THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR, YOUR EFFORTS.

ALL RIGHT. AND AND SOMETHING THAT CARROLL ALSO CARROLL ISD IS ALSO UNIQUE IN IS WE'VE GOT A CHILD NUTRITION FUND THAT IS INCLUDED IN OUR GENERAL FUND. AND SO WHEREAS IN MOST DISTRICTS THAT'S A SEPARATE ACCOUNTED FOR FUND.

OURS IS IN THE GENERAL FUND.

WE HAVE A WE ACTUALLY HAVE A PROFITABLE OPERATION.

SO DANA HAS DONE A REALLY AN OUTSTANDING JOB IN MANAGING THE CHILD NUTRITION PROGRAM.

DANA, IF YOU WANT TO COME UP AND TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAS BEEN ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S BEEN A GOAL, I THINK, OF THIS, OF THIS BOARD, IS TO MAKE THESE PROGRAMS SELF SELF-SUSTAINING.

AND SO AS SHE HAS CREATED A PRICE STRUCTURE, SHE'S NOT PARTICIPATING IN THE FEDERAL, FEDERAL, FEDERAL, FEDERAL LUNCH PROGRAM, WHICH HAS ALLOWED HER TO SERVE ACTUALLY GOOD FOOD, GREAT FOOD, ACTUALLY AND AND IT HELPS ON THE BOTTOM LINE.

AND SO WITH THAT SAID, ANNUALLY SHE COMES TO THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES ON PRICE INCREASES, AND I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO HER FOR THAT.

GOOD EVENING, TRUSTEES AND DR.

LEDBETTER. NICE TO SEE YOU GUYS.

SO THE FIRST SLIDE SHOWS WHAT WE'RE CHARGING CURRENTLY FOR PLATE LUNCHES.

AND WE BROKE IT UP FOR ELEMENTARY AND INTERMEDIATE AND THEN MIDDLE AND HIGH SCHOOL.

SO THE REASON FOR THE DIFFERENCE IS THE PORTION SIZE.

THE NEXT SLIDE SHOWS SOME HISTORY OF I DON'T HAVE ALL THE WAY BACK THROUGH.

BASICALLY, 2017 IS WHEN THE $3 $3.25 HAD STARTED.

AND AS YOU CAN SEE.

IT HASN'T BEEN INCREASED UNTIL LATER DOWN THE ROAD WHEN I CAME HERE.

AND THEN WE DECIDED TO DO A QUITE A BIT OF A BUMP IN 22-23, BECAUSE THERE WAS A LAG.

MOVING FORWARD INSTEAD OF WAITING WE'RE DOING A PRICE INCREASE AS THE YEARS GO ON R EFLECTING IN THE PRICE INCREASES OF FOOD GOING UP AND INFLATION.

SO LOOKING AT THIS CHART, YOU CAN TELL WE'RE TRYING TO DO A LITTLE BIT EACH YEAR.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO PROPOSE FOR THIS COMING SCHOOL YEAR AS A 5% INCREASE.

SO THE NEW PRICE WE'RE HOPING FOR IS $4.15 FOR ELEMENTARY AND INTERMEDIATE AND THEN $4.

20 FOR MIDDLE AND HIGH SCHOOL.

AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS WE'RE TRYING TO DO A LITTLE BIT EACH YEAR INSTEAD OF JUMPING.

OKAY. THAT'S THE THE SUMMARY.

DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I KNOW YOU HAVE DETAILED QUESTIONS.

I'M SURE. I WOULDN'T SAY DETAILED.

I MEAN, I THINK IT'S REASONABLE FOR US TO CONTINUE INCREMENTALLY INCREASING COST, ESPECIALLY TO COVER THE COST.

WE ALL KNOW THERE'S SOME INFLATIONARY COSTS.

AND THESE AMOUNTS SEEM TO ME TO BE VERY REASONABLE, AND I, I BOUGHT A DOUBLE CHEESEBURGER AT MCDONALD'S THE OTHER DAY, AND IT WAS ALMOST TWICE THE NUMBERS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE.

NOW, I'M NOT SURE THAT WAS VERY HEALTHY FOR ME TO DO, BUT THESE DON'T SEEM UNREASONABLE, AND I WANT TO CONTINUE TO AT LEAST RECOVER THE COST THAT WE'RE INCURRING SO.

I HAVE A QUESTION. WHO'S OUR CURRENT FOOD DISTRIBUTOR? LABATT. OKAY.

AND DO WE SEND OUT BIDS ON AN ANNUAL BASIS, LIKE COMPETITIVE BIDS? YES. THROUGH REGION TEN, WE'RE A MEMBER OF THAT CO-OP.

AND SO THESE ARE BASED ON LIKE HAS THAT BEEN SENT OUT FOR THE NEXT YEAR.

DO YOU ALREADY KNOW WHAT THE FOOD PRICE WILL BE? SO THE FOOD PRICES ARE BASED ON THE ITEM.

SO IT'S KIND OF HARD TO TELL DEPENDING ON WHAT YOU ARE THINKING ABOUT PUTTING A MEAL TOGETHER.

BUT OUR FOOD COST WHAT I DO IS I TAKE OUR THREE WEEK CYCLE MENU AND I FIGURE OUT ALL THE RAW COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH IT, DOWN TO THE SPORK PACKET AND THE TRAY AND ALL THAT. AND THEN THAT'S JUST THE RAW FOOD COSTS.

BUT THEN YOU ADD IN THE LABOR COSTS AND THEN THE OTHER CATEGORY, WHICH HAS TO DO WITH UPKEEP AND MAINTENANCE AND EQUIPMENT AND THAT KIND OF THING.

SO OUR TOTAL COST IS VERY CLOSE TO THE $4.15 FOR THAT PORTION SIZE.

[01:30:01]

SO WE'RE RIGHT ON THE MONEY THERE.

AS FAR AS A NET ZERO, WE'RE NOT MAKING MONEY ON IT, BUT WE'RE NOT LOSING MONEY WITH THESE PRICES.

AND THAT'S ON THE PLATE LUNCH.

BECAUSE WHAT SHE DOES MAKE MONEY ON IS THE A LA CARTE.

RIGHT. SO I TALKED EARLIER, I GUESS, ABOUT MAKING MONEY AND FUNDING THAT PROGRAM.

SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS OUT THERE, ALL THE ICE CREAM MY CHILD BUYS I KNOW.

YEAH, THEY AND MINE UNFORTUNATELY.

MRS. DODGE, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS.

AND I'M VERY GLAD THAT YOU PUT SLIDE 14, ESPECIALLY FOR OUR NEW TRUSTEES TO SEE.

NOT EVERYBODY WILL RECALL THAT A YEAR AGO WHEN TRUSTEES BRYAN, LANNEN, AND SEXTON, WE HAD A TOUGH DECISION.

BUT WHAT WE HAD SEEN IN PREVIOUS BOARDS AND NOT TO THROW ANY DISPARITY OR DISPARAGE, DISPARAGE THEM AT ALL, IT'S JUST THAT THERE HADN'T BEEN AN INCREASE.

WE WEREN'T KEEPING UP WITH INFLATION.

WE KIND OF RIPPED THE BAND AID OFF.

WE DID THAT 25% INCREASE, AND NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT INCREASES THAT REALLY ARE MATCHING THAT THAT CPI OR THAT FOOD INFLATION IF YOU WOULD.

SO NOW WE'RE INTO MORE NORMAL 5% INCREASES.

I'M JUST GLAD THAT THAT STRATEGY IS ONE THAT WE EMPLOYED.

AND ALSO THANK YOU BECAUSE BEING A PART AND SOME OF US HAVE HAD BEEN WE'VE LISTENED TO STUDENTS WHO YOU HAVE BEEN LISTENING TO AND, AND AND TRULY TO MR. JOHNSON'S POINT, YOU'RE DOING A WONDERFUL JOB.

I MEAN, BECAUSE YOU'RE LISTENING TO STUDENTS AND PEOPLE ARE SAYING, WE REALLY ENJOY THE FOOD.

I HAVE NOT HEARD A SINGLE GRIPE ABOUT THAT INCREASE, AND I THINK IT'S BECAUSE WE'RE NOT MAKING MONEY ON THIS PLATE LUNCH.

YOU'RE STILL KEEPING THE COSTS DOWN AND IT'S STILL A TREMENDOUS VALUE.

YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW AT $3.75, EVEN GOING TO $3.95, WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO GET A PLATE LUNCH.

YOU CAN'T. RIGHT.

SO THANK YOU FOR THE TREMENDOUS WORK YOU'RE DOING FOR THE VALUE AND NUTRITION FOR OUR STUDENTS.

I SO APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU.

AND THANK YOU TO MY TEAM.

I HAVE AN INCREDIBLE TEAM OUT THERE.

ALL MY STAFF IS JUST AMAZING.

SO THANK YOU.

I CAN'T DO IT WITHOUT THEM.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. WELL, WITH THAT SAID, LET'S LET'S TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THE BUDGET.

SO, YOU KNOW, IN FEBRUARY I BROUGHT YOU THE, THE INITIAL LOOK.

AND SOME THINGS HAVE HAPPENED SINCE SINCE THAT INITIAL LOOK IN FEBRUARY 5TH.

AND SO I'LL MONITOR THE THE INTEREST RATE MARKET, THE STOCK MARKET, AND YOU KNOW, LET ME DIAL BACK TO PROBABLY JULY OF THIS LAST YEAR WHERE THEY WERE PREDICTING THREE RATE CUTS IN THE CURRENT YEAR.

I DISCOUNTED INTEREST A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE THAT MY GOAL IS ALWAYS TO TRY TO HIT.

I'M ALWAYS GOING TO ON THE SIDE OF CONSERVATIVE.

IT'S JUST JUST HOW I OPERATE.

THAT SAID, I ALSO DON'T WANT TO BE OVERLY CONSERVATIVE.

I WANT TO HIT THE MARK, BUT I'D LIKE TO BE JUST KIND OF ON THE ON THE CONSERVATIVE SIDE OF THAT MARK.

AND SO SINCE THEN YOU KNOW, THE FED COMES OUT AND THEY TALK ABOUT INTEREST RATE DECREASES.

IT HAS NOT HAPPENED YET.

AND SO WITH THE LATEST SEMINAR I ATTENDED.

ACTUALLY MY MY EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR BRIAN ATTENDED.

WE'RE LOOKING AT INTEREST RATE.

AND SO THOSE AREN'T PROJECTED TO DECREASE NOW THEY'RE PROJECTED TO DECREASE SOME BUT NOT DRASTICALLY.

THEY WERE LOOKING AT GOSH, I THINK A 1.5% REDUCTION.

WE HAVEN'T SEEN A 1.5%.

WE HAVEN'T SEEN ANY REDUCTION.

AND THEY'RE ACTUALLY SOME SOME MARKETS ARE ACTUALLY PREDICTING AN INTEREST RATE INCREASE.

AND SO THAT SAID, I KIND OF RESTORED SOME OF THE REDUCTIONS THAT I HAD PREVIOUSLY INCORPORATED INTO THE BUDGET.

SO I BROUGHT THAT UP.

THE PRE-K TUITION OUR, OUR TRUSTEES, TRUSTEE YEAGER YOU AND AND TRUSTEE BRYAN, I BELIEVE, SPOKE WITH OUR COMMISSIONER.

AND SO WE'RE ABLE TO SET A REASONABLE PRE-K TUITION.

SO I INCORPORATED INCORPORATED THAT INTO INTO THE BUDGET PROCESS.

AGAIN, JUST WITH THE GOAL TO REFLECT CLOSELY TO WHAT WE EXPECT REVENUES TO BE.

OUR ATHLETIC DEPARTMENT HAS DONE HAS MADE TREMENDOUS REVENUE GAINS IN THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS.

AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO, AGAIN, TRY TO HIT THAT MARK AND RECOGNIZE THEM FOR THEIR FABULOUS EFFORTS.

REDUCTION IN FEDERAL, FEDERAL, BECOME FEDERAL AGAIN CONTINUES TO BE A CHALLENGE ON SOME OF THE FEDERAL FUNDING.

AND SO I'VE BACKED OFF A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT.

SOME OF THE EXPENDITURES THAT WE'RE GOING TO SEE CHANGE ARE INCREASE IN PAYROLL DUE TO THE REFINING OF THE STAFFING PLAN.

DR. SMALSKAS GAVE YOU SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE INCORPORATED WHEN WE BROUGHT THE PRE-K PROGRAM BACK IN IN FEBRUARY, WE WE INCORPORATED SOME OF THOSE CHANGES, BUT WE CONTINUE TO WORK ON ON STAFFING.

WE'RE WE'RE CONTINUING TO REFINE AND FINALIZE THE ZERO BASED BUDGETS.

THAT WILL HAPPEN THIS WEEK AND HOPEFULLY WRAP THAT UP NEXT WEEK IN ANTICIPATION OF A MUCH MORE DETAILED WORKSHOP WITH BETTER AND FINAL NUMBERS IN EARLY MAY.

[01:35:02]

IT'S BEEN A VERY PRODUCTIVE EXERCISE.

I KNOW THAT DR. SMALSKAS IS AND HER TEAM HAVE DONE TREMENDOUS WORK ON STAFFING AND THEN THEN USING THE [INAUDIBLE] TO TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE SERVE STUDENTS WELL.

AND SO I APPLAUD HER EFFORTS ON THAT.

AND THAT'S WORKED OUT REALLY WELL.

SO LET ME LET ME BRING TO YOU WHAT WE'VE GOT NOW.

SO IF WE LOOK AT THE DRAFT FROM FEBRUARY, FEBRUARY 5TH, WE HAD A $10.7 MILLION DEFICIT BECAUSE OF WHAT I JUST DESCRIBED.

WE'VE NOW GOT ABOUT A $9.1 MILLION DEFICIT.

AND SO WE IMPROVED BY THE THINGS THAT I JUST DESCRIBED.

AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO WORK, THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT I ANTICIPATE HELPING US THROUGH THIS NEXT ROUND.

WE'VE TALKED ABOUT SOME STAFFING REDUCTIONS THAT I HAVEN'T INCORPORATED IN THERE.

WE'RE WAITING UNTIL WE HAVE MORE CERTAINTY WITH THE CONTRACTION OF SOME OF THOSE POSITIONS BEFORE I BRING YOU MORE CONCRETE NUMBERS.

AND SO WE'RE IN WE'RE WE'RE NOW NOW IN APRIL AND WE'RE GOING TO ADOPT IN JUNE.

SO MAY WE'LL HAVE A REVISION AND PROBABLY SOMETIME IN LATE MAY AND IN JUNE, AS WE CONTINUE TO FINALIZE AND REFINE THOSE NUMBERS, I DO I DO LOOK FOR SOME SOME MORE POSITIVE IMPACT ON THAT.

BUT THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE ARE ON BUDGET.

ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT THAT I CAN ANSWER? IF NOT, THEN THEN ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WANT TO GO BACK TO THE OTHER PIECE THAT THE DISTRICTS DON'T ALWAYS PRESENT AT THE TIME THEY PRESENT AN OPERATING BUDGET, AND THAT'S THE CAPITAL EXPENDITURE PLAN.

I THINK PRESENTING ONE WITHOUT THE OTHER IS HARD FOR ME TO DO, BECAUSE I WANT THE BOARD TO KNOW THE LAY OF THE LAND FINANCIALLY.

I WANT THEM TO KNOW WHAT WE HAVE ON THE HORIZON.

SO TONIGHT WE HEARD THE RESULTS OF THE OF THE FACILITY STUDY, AND I LOOKED AT THE FIRST TWO LINES, MEP AND BUILDING AND AND YOU HEARD FROM THOSE FOLKS DIRECTLY. AND SO THE MEP, I THINK THE FINAL NUMBER ON THAT WAS SOMEWHERE BETWEEN TWO, 225 AND 250.

IS THAT CORRECT? AND AND SO, KYLE MR. MAZAC HAS GONE THROUGH THAT LITERALLY LINE BY LINE.

HE'S INCORPORATING IT INTO HIS PROGRAM.

HE CONTINUES TO STUDY IT.

HE CONTINUES TO EVALUATE.

I GO BACK TO MY LITTLE CAR EXAMPLE.

YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT SOME CARS WITH SOME HIGH MILEAGE.

IT DOESN'T MEAN THEY'RE GOING TO IT DOESN'T MEAN THEY'RE GOING TO PETER OUT ON US.

RIGHT. WE'VE STILL GOT SOME MILEAGE.

SO THE NUMBERS ARE KIND OF SHOCKING.

IT'S THE GREATEST. THE ONLY THING I GOT TRUSTEE LANNEN IT'S THE BEST.

BUT BUT IT'S YOU KNOW WHAT WHAT IS APPARENT IS WE'VE GOT SOME NEEDS THAT ARE THAT ARE PRESSING.

AND WHETHER THEY PRESS TODAY OR TOMORROW, WE'RE AT LEAST AWARE OF THEM.

HE'S ACCOUNTING FOR THEM. HE KNOWS WHICH ONES TO FOCUS ON.

AND SO THE $61 MILLION FIGURE IS HUGE, NO DOUBT.

THAT SAID, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE HAVE TO SPEND THAT MONEY NOW.

AND SO IS HE CONTINUES TO EVALUATE THOSE THINGS.

HE LOOKS AT THEM AND AGAIN HE'S GOING LINE BY LINE, ASSET BY ASSET.

WE WILL BRING, YOU KNOW, UPDATES TO THE BOARD AS AS WE GET THOSE UPDATES.

THE FACILITY BUILDING, YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THE BUILDING THE NEXT FIVE YEARS FOR BUILDING IS EXACTLY THE SAME AMOUNT.

AND THE REASON THAT WE DID THAT EXACT SAME AMOUNT IS BECAUSE THEY DID THINGS IN 0 TO 5 YEAR INCREMENTS.

AND SO IDEALLY, THIS WHOLE THIS WHOLE PROCESS WAS ABOUT BUILDING A LIFE CYCLE REPLACEMENT.

IT'S ABOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHAT WE'VE GOT TO REPLACE WHEN WE'VE GOT TO REPLACE IT YEAR BY YEAR.

A LITTLE BIT EASIER SAID THAN DONE BECAUSE OF WHAT I JUST DESCRIBED.

BUT WE'LL GO TO THE BUILDING PIECE FOR JUST A MINUTE AND WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT ROOFS, BECAUSE THE ROOFS WERE REALLY OUR BIGGEST CHALLENGING PART.

AND IF THEY'RE 25 YEARS OLD TO SAY THAT WE'RE GOING TO REPLACE THE ROOF AT JOHNSON ELEMENTARY, FOR EXAMPLE IN MARCH OF 2025, WELL, WE MAY GET TO MARCH 2025 AND GO, YOU KNOW WHAT, IT'S GOING TO LAST ANOTHER YEAR OR TWO.

AND SO THAT'S WHY THOSE NUMBERS ARE EVEN RATHER THAN THE VERY DEFINED GOAL OF LIFE CYCLE REPLACEMENT BY DATE BY YEAR.

IT'S JUST NOT THAT EASY TO DO.

THAT SAID, AGAIN, GENERALLY SPEAKING, WE'VE GOT SOME 2025 YEAR ROOFS AND THOSE ARE GENERALLY GOING TO LAST 20, 25 YEARS.

I'VE SEEN DISTRICTS THAT SAY ON 25 YEARS WE'RE GOING TO REPLACE THEM.

THAT'S AN OPTION.

THE OTHER OPTION IS TO SAY, LET'S SEE IF WE CAN GET 27 OR 28, MAYBE EVEN 30.

YOU KNOW, IT'S CIRCUMSTANCE SPECIFIC, RIGHT? WE JUST WANT TO BE VERY COGNIZANT THAT THE NEED IS THERE.

THEY'RE ON HIS THEY'RE ON HIS LIST.

HE'S GOING TO CHECK THEM. AND WE'LL JUST HAVE TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT.

THE REMAINDER OF THOSE THINGS, YOU KNOW, ARE REALLY INTERNAL INTERNALLY REPORTED.

YOU KNOW, ATHLETICS WE'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, SOME FIELDS THAT WE PUT IN IN 2017, $3.4 MILLION MAY GO A YEAR, MAY GO ANOTHER YEAR.

BUT WE KNOW THAT THEY'RE ON THERE.

AND SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT THE BOARD IS AWARE TRANSPORTATION IN 26.

MR. BENNETT HAS, I THINK, 6 OR 7 BUSSES THAT ARE 21 YEARS OLD.

AND SO THOSE ARE THE KIND OF THINGS, AGAIN, DON'T HAVE TO DO IT.

BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, THEY GO WITH WE'RE TRYING TO EMULATE OR I GUESS REPLICATE WHAT THE, THE MECHANIC THE MEP AND THE ARCHITECT AND THE ENGINEER DOING.

WE'VE GOT STANDARD LIVES.

WE'RE GOING TO SQUEEZE THAT LEMON DRY, BUT WE KNOW AT SOME POINT IT'S DRY.

[01:40:02]

THEY ARE BIG NUMBERS.

I PRESENTED THIS TO THE CLASS GROUP ON WAS IT MONDAY? NO, IT WAS LAST WEEK.

THURSDAY. THANK YOU.

SO AND I THINK THERE WERE SOME SHELL SHOCK TO IT AND RIGHTFULLY SO.

THESE ARE NOT SMALL NUMBERS.

THEY ARE NOT IN OUR M&O.

AND SO THEY'RE BIG.

WE KNOW THAT THEY EXIST.

AND CERTAINLY WE'LL HAVE A CONVERSATION.

THE ABOVE INFORMATION I DID NOT INCLUDE TECHNOLOGY IN THERE.

WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT FROM AN M&O PERSPECTIVE.

AND SO WE DID NOT REFLECT THE SOME OF THOSE IN THERE.

AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT OVER TIME.

AND NEXT SO FUTURE CONSIDERATIONS.

WE KNOW THAT WE'RE WE'VE IMPROVED OUR BUDGETARY, WE'RE PROJECTING TO IMPROVE OUR BUDGETARY SITUATION.

BUT BUT I THINK WE'RE NO DIFFERENT THAN THAN MOST DISTRICTS ACROSS THE STATE.

AND THEN WE'VE GOT SOME REALLY BIG HILLS TO CLIMB.

NOT REALLY SURE WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE NEXT LEGISLATIVE SESSION.

DON'T KNOW THAT IT IT IS REALLY PRUDENT TO WAIT.

AND SO WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT AND AND WITH, WITH SOME OF THE BOARD MEMBERS IS WHAT'S THE BEST WAY TO GET OUR ARMS AROUND THAT.

AND IN MY, MY PERSONAL OPINION, AND I'VE GOT SOME COLLEAGUES ACROSS THE STATE OF TEXAS THAT HAVE DONE IT IN DIFFERENT WAYS.

AND IT'S REALLY KIND OF THROUGH A WHAT I WOULD DESCRIBE AS A TRANSPARENT PROCESS, RIGHT? GETTING INPUT AS YOU GO AND LETTING PEOPLE WEIGH IN.

BECAUSE I THINK THROUGH THAT COMMITTEE, THEY'VE DONE IT THROUGH A COMMITTEE PROCESS.

AND SO WHAT WE'VE GOT IS A WAY TO MAYBE SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE ADVANTAGES THAT WE POTENTIALLY HAVE THAT, THAT OTHERS DON'T HAVE.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, THE THOUGHT THAT THAT DR.

LEDBETTER AND I HAVE, HAVE HAD AND DISCUSSED IS TALKING ABOUT CREATING A BUDGET REDUCTION ADVISORY COMMITTEE.

IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT TELLS THE BOARD.

IT'S IT'S A IT'S A WAY TO GATHER INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC, KIND OF INFORM THEM, GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM THEM SO THAT IT THE COMMUNITY CAN KIND OF WEIGH IN ON HOW WE TACKLE THIS BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE SENSITIVE.

ANYTIME YOU CUT, ANYTIME YOU GIVE TO TAKE BACK IS IS DIFFICULT.

IT'S CHALLENGING. AND SO WANTED TO THROW THAT AT THE BOARD.

DR. LEDBETTER AND I'VE HAD LOTS OF CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THAT.

I'VE SEEN SOME OF THE SUCCESSES ON NEIGHBORING DISTRICTS.

YOU KNOW, I KNOW RICHARDSON BECAUSE I'M, I'M GOOD FRIENDS WITH THEIR CFO.

WE TALKED ABOUT HE AND I HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT HOW HE DID WHAT HE DID WHEN HE DID AND WHY HE DID.

AND THAT SAID, YOU KNOW, IT COMES TO TO THE NEWS AND ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU SEE ALL THE TURMOIL.

WELL, THEY DID A LOT OF PROACTIVE ACTION AND WORK TO TO AVOID THAT.

SO MY POINT IN THAT, I GUESS, IS THAT IT'S NOT EASY.

I JUST THINK THAT THAT THIS IS PROBABLY A A GOOD WAY TO, TO APPROACH.

CAN I ASK A QUESTION ON THAT? DON'T WE ALREADY HAVE LIKE A FINANCE COMMITTEE IN PLACE? WE DO HAVE A BUDGET AND A BUDGET AND A BUDGET AND FINANCE COMMITTEE, AND WE'VE MET RECENTLY, BUT I THINK MAYBE EVEN EXPANDING BEYOND THAT, MAYBE SOME FROM FROM THE PROGRAMMATIC PIECE.

SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT MORE THAN JUST THE FINANCE.

YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE OFFERINGS, YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE MAKE UP OF SOME OF THOSE PROGRAMS, THE SIZE OF SOME OF THOSE PROGRAMS PARTICIPATION.

AND SO HOW DO YOU BEST TACKLE THAT? AND THE CFO CAN BE REALLY PRETTY CUT AND DRY.

BUT I THINK WHEN YOU BLEND A COMMITTEE OR MAYBE MULTIPLE COMMITTEES, YOU GET BUY IN, YOU GET INPUT.

AND SO MAYBE THROUGH A COLLABORATIVE PROCESS, YOU GET A BETTER OUTCOME BY MAYBE DOING IT THAT WAY.

THAT'S KIND OF MY THOUGHT.

BUT GOOD POINT. YES, WE STARTED KIND OF WITH THEM AND I ACTUALLY PITCHED THIS IDEA TO THEM.

WE DR. LEDBETTER AND I'VE HAD SEVERAL CONVERSATIONS ABOUT IT.

I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA.

I MEAN, WE HAVE A LOT OF SMART PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT WORK FOR LARGE COMPANIES, AND THEY GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS EVERY YEAR TO FIGURE OUT HOW THEY CAN SAVE COSTS.

AND IT DOESN'T COST US ANYTHING TO FORM A COMMITTEE.

AND IT DOESN'T COST US ANYTHING TO CONSIDER EVERY IDEA THAT COMES UP.

AND THERE ARE SOME SMART PEOPLE THAT CAN COME UP WITH SOME GREAT IDEAS.

ABSOLUTELY. AND WE'VE TALKED MAYBE.

AND OF COURSE, DEPENDING ON WHAT WHAT WHAT YOU, AS THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES WANT TO DO.

THE GENTLEMAN THAT I'VE SPOKEN SPOKE ABOUT EARLIER ACTUALLY STARTED THAT IN JULY.

AND I GUESS MY THOUGHT THAT IF WE START EARLY ENOUGH, YOU CAN HAVE SOME THINGS IN PLACE.

AND DEPENDING ON THE OUTCOME OF THE NEXT LEGISLATIVE SESSION, YOU'RE IN A POSITION TO START IMPLEMENTING THINGS IF THINGS DON'T WORK OUR WAY.

RIGHT. AND SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, ENOUGH RUNWAY ON THE FRONT END HELPS US THROUGH THE COURSE OF THAT, THAT HARD, HARD PROCESS.

YEAH I THINK EXCELLENT POINTS.

BOTH. THANK YOU SO MUCH TRUSTEE LANNEN AND TRUSTEE BOTTOM.

I JUST HAVE ONE OVERALL QUESTION.

YES, SIR. IN YOUR EXPERIENCE, IS THERE EVER BEEN A SCHOOL DISTRICT WHEN IT SEES $75 MILLION, THEN NEXT YEAR IS $35 MILLION?

[01:45:01]

HAS THERE BEEN ANYTHING ELSE THAN A BOND TO PAY FOR THESE? THERE'S NOT, YOU KNOW, AND I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO, TO THE TO THE TEXAS FUNDING LEVEL RELATIVE TO OUR NATIONAL FUNDING LEVEL.

WE'RE 42ND IN THE NATION IN PER STUDENT FUNDING.

LAST WEEK I WAS WORKING WITH CASEY, OUR FINANCIAL ADVISORS, AND, YOU KNOW, CARROLL ISD ON THE RAW DATA WAS THE BOTTOM.

AND SO IF YOU LOOK NATIONALLY, 42ND, YOU LOOK ON THE STATE, CARROLL IS THE BOTTOM ON THAT 80% PIECE THAT I ALWAYS GO BACK TO.

RIGHT. AND WE'RE STRUGGLING TO MAKE ENDS MEET, AS EVERY DISTRICT IN THE STATE OF TEXAS IS RIGHT.

AND SO TO SAY THAT, THAT THERE'S CAPACITY WITHIN ANY OF THAT, WE CAN'T MAKE IT MAKE ENDS MEET ON AN OPERATIONAL LEVEL.

SO NO, SIR, TO YOUR TO YOUR POINT THAT THAT THAT'S JUST NOT HOW DISTRICTS ARE FUNDED.

THAT'S JUST NOT HOW DISTRICTS ARE FUNDED.

OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT, MR. JOHNSON, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

I THINK THAT CONCLUDES OUR INFORMATION PORTION OF OUR MEETING TONIGHT.

AND I THINK THAT TAKES US TO NUMBER 7.

[7. DISCUSSION/ACTION]

AND THAT IS, CONSIDER APPROVAL OF ONE FULL TIME EMPLOYEE, FTE MIDDLE SCHOOL ASSISTANT PRINCIPAL POSITION AND ONE FTE PRE-K SPECIALIST POSITION. AND I THINK, DR.

SMALSKAS, YOU TOUCHED ON THIS A LITTLE BIT EARLIER THIS EVENING.

YES. SO IT IS ADMINISTRATION'S RECOMMENDATION FOR THE BOARD TO APPROVE ONE FTE FOR FULL TIME MIDDLE SCHOOL PRINCIPAL AND ONE PRE-K SPECIALIST ESL AS PRESENTED EARLIER TONIGHT.

WONDERFUL. DO WE HAVE A QUESTIONS OF THAT FIRST, BEFORE WE ASK ABOUT IF WE HAVE A MOTION? OKAY. DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE THE TWO POSITIONS AS RECOMMENDED.

SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AND NONE OPPOSED.

MOTION CARRIES 5 TO 0.

THANK YOU, DR. SMALSKAS.

ALL RIGHT. THAT BEING SAID IF THERE IS NO OBJECTION, WE WILL ADJOURN THIS MEETING AT 7:46 P.M..

THANK YOU.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.